very cool this is . and for charity too so rare to see much done like this on ally side these days
I'll wipe for the godsdamn prepatch. Seriously Blizz, stop holding out on us.
Shame I missed it :c
@Wepstart In 1995 37% of programmers were female. This has now dropped to 20%. Why? Partly peer pressure (e.g. growing campaign from right-wing to keep women in the home), partly sexist behaviour and comments in the workplace (I had one manager literally tell me I ought to become a Librarian - and that was one of the milder things I experienced in a 40 year career in IT), partly Western cultural assumptions (computers are toys for boys - in Malaysia & India, 50% of coders are female). It doesn't help that females tend to be brought up to be more sensitive than males, so these sort of comments not only hurt, but drive women out of the IT workforce. So by saying "just like everyone else" you mean like white, male and like the 75% of the workforce that currently codes.The reason why it's important to get girls coding is that the key time they drop out is around age 12-13 years. It's important to include women on the team so that the end result doesn't end up also being exclusionary and, diverse teams including women tend to be more successful. There's also some research that indicates women actually produce better code.
Prepatch announcement this week please?
So, you're allowed to pull stats and surveys out of thin air to back your claims, but people can't do the same to refute your claims ? Wut....? lolRemoved
Nice stream. Good charities. I support! :-)
I wouldn't recommend supporting those charities, especially Girls Who Code, its an extremely corrupt "non profit" company with a toxic work environment, speaking from my friends experience, they pay the lowest of the lowest minimum wages and you have no career progression. She couldn't stay there for more than a week, the best choice she made was to learn stuff by herself and do her own projects, please, don't fall for these PR stunts where CEOs just try pretend to do a good thing.Not to say its unhealthy to join the IT industry as its too stressful, creating a bad example for women while making the environment worse for men.
What could be another good way to support women who are taking up programming as a career?You seem to be genuinely in the know and it could be interesting to look into as i feel it's always a good idea to employ a broader spectrum in the workspace.
@ TequimaI feel your comment has a good few of unsupported claims and some unwarranted sexism woven into it.It's a good thing to fight legitimate sexism but i don't feel it's done by assuming things and then turn around to commit said act you claim to villify. " So by saying "just like everyone else" you mean like white, male and like the 75% of the workforce that currently codes.- Tequim#We should work towards making workplaces where your interest and skill should be all the requirement you need for everything to work out for you proffesionally. Being sexist to either gender or devolve into racism benefits neither the good women or men that engage in good work enviroments.
@gamerunknownSince you've decided to butt in, let's have a go at it.Yes, it is sexist and even racist when you make an argument that puts down a gender and a race with either very thin or no evidence to back up this claim.I saw your point earlier that wrongly claim that women are being kept out of STEM, i assure you, in the west that is -not- the case. Infact there's several programs, Tequima even pointed several out that you somehow missed, that makes sure women will now be informed that these career paths exists.What we do however see in regards to the choice of career paths is that these fields haven't been that highly sought by women but here in the west we do see an increase and some interests. What your and Tequima's worldviews don't take into account is that there may not be a majority of women who are even interested in these fields.Replacing one type of sexism is not a step in the right direction, it's just a standstill.The only thing i'm gathering from both your responses is that you're coming from a very biased worldview instead of one that favors equality. You both wrongly assume women are kept out of these fields despite them being completely open to them, not to mention the female to male ratio in terms of completing college is in favor of women and there's very little programs in place to put more men into female dominated work enviroments.
@gamerunknown"Absolutely false, we're defending a charity which is encouraging women to enter these fields. Do try and keep up."Nothing about my statement is false, you quite clear don't take into account that that may be the case, so again you're wrong and refrain from the insults."They exist. But the median US woman's salary was 81% of the median US male salary, in much the same way you probably won't find recruitment drives for female construction workers you probably won't find drives for male cosmetologists." They're so exceptionally rare, the programs for when, compared to all the ones for women and you recited my point -exactly- which is very ironic, my point is exactly that there's still a difference between what men and women gravitate towards. You mention gender segregation and it's quite clear you misunderstand the concept of interest vs segregation. The numbers would align more if there were infact more women interested in entering STEM.You claim it's not being sexist/race which, of course, is blatantly false when she blatantly targets a gender, race and demographic and don't back up the claim.In regards to defending these charities, i suggest looking them up since there seems to be a lot of mismanaging with them and they seem to be subject for bad work enviroments.If you wish to continue the debate you'll do so without resorting to insults, given the fact you've butted in on the conversation that'd be the least you could do, otherwise you'll simply be ignored for what seems to be a strong bias.
@gamerunknownYou continue to write insults, some rather infantile and asinine ones at those and you make a claim that "200 years ago women werent in such and such educations" maybe, if you had bothered doing a google search and save dus both some time on me education you, you'd know women -weren't allowed- to undertake most educations in the west during this time. Now, women can pick and choose the same as men yet we still see an overwhelming majority of women in humanitary jobs and and overwhelming majority of men in STEM jobs across the board.The blatant sexism and bias aside from previous posts, it just seems you're second hand offended with poor "citings" of evidence, you didn't even bother to look up the charities, i did.Backing up women and their progress is good and should be encouraged, this can be done with discrimination, sexism and racism though.You've shown poor argumentative skill and continue to insult in what i assume is your only way of having a debate. You're unfit to sit down and have a proper discussing because the second your narrative is contested you regress to insult slinging and feigning ignorance. Sadly, you're proven objectively wrong and the numbers are against you.I'll accept your loss and encourage you to learn to behave properly when discussing with strangers and to actually look up what you're defending before you become second hand offended and selfrighteous.