Did Uther break the wheel? Arthas shouldnt be in the Maw.
The most excite things on Bastion, is to see Uther, one of the strongest ever paladin, showing in the scene, how powerfull light is on lore and everything.In Game, you simple shoudn´t play Retri paladin cause this useless. Should delete this spec. Give love for Retribution as it deserves on Game too.And will be really funny that if Sylvanas do all the things, to go on Maw for save the everyone and fight against Arthas, cause Uther put him there without a judgment.
First off, We saw kind of the start of the fall for Davos, being filled by an urge to take Vengeance, How she pushed Uther twice in the comic video, once when she told him he'll ascend and he replied with But i thought i was not ready, she replies with "Do you want to see him punished?" and after being unsure about hte ascendance while not ready, his face expression is filled with anger and he says yes and he ascends, then again while above the maw, telling him to return Arthas to the darkness he once served, Uther softens, but again tells him to remember what Arthas did and to take his "vengeance" and again Uther's face expression is filled with anger and throws Arthas into the maw, How i saw it, i think he felt some guilt/doubt of what he just did at the last shot when he's looking down at Arthas' descending body.The other lore implication i was thinking about was regarding when exactly the Jailer's attempt to rise to power start, was Ner'zhul completely in control in the Helm of Dominance? or was he somehow puppeteered by the Jailer and convinced to betray the legion, then to call in Arthas to have some sort of "Vessel", but Arthas' flickering remnant of humanity kept the Jailer at bay? One thing we know now, Icecrown was made in the image/design of Torghast/Maw Architecture, NOT the Nerubian empire, even in Ahn'kahet: The old Kingdom, we see that the color pallet and architecture are completely different from Icecrown Citadel, I think that was the Jailer's influence, also we have to keep in mind the huge pillar in the middle of Icecrown citadel that is some how holding souls into it, I think that replicates the maw somehow, by the end of expansion I speculate that we'll visit ICC once more to deal with that pillar and attempt to close the breach in the veil of the icecrown sky and close the chapter of the rampaging undead on Azeroth.When Arthas finally fallen, we see the Haze on his eyes lifted/dissipated, as if he was under some spell, I personally don't think it was Ner'zhuls influence and in fact was the jailer's influence and eventually he got to have some sort of Bargain with Sylvanas through the Val'kyr when she jumped off the top of Icecrown to continue with his plans.I think the journey of Uther would lead him to saving Arthas later down the line and atone for abandoning him at Stratholme and we'll see some sort of redemption arc for both of them, see them close that story arc of mentor and student by the end of the expansion hopefully, while Arthas redemption path -especially that we know now that he was not sent fairly into the maw anyways- is to atone to all the massacres he'd done and redeem himself by sealing the Jailer's evil, either by being the "literal jailer of the damned" looking over the jailer like Illidan is looking over Sargeras, or helping us defeat the Jailer and taking his place somehow.
I am coming at this from a different perspective than most others. I am actually a "newish" player that played a little bit several years ago but hadn't really engaged with the game or the story. I have been getting excited about playing again in the new expansion, and I have been watching every video and reading every article I can find to get up to speed on the lore. Watching the cinematic and seeing how Arthras's evil has made it into Bastion and tainted Devos and Uther, causing two characters who are essentially paragons of the light to "fall" into darkness was an amazing touch, especially when juxtaposed against what some people have been saying is a possible redemption arc for Arthas. If Uther can stumble and fall, and Arthas can be redeemed (even unlikely as that may be), it seems like Blizzard has loaded up some major storyline elements here. I am very excited to join the game and experience it along with you all.
The most exciting aspect for me is the thought of seeing past characters coming back, like Uther. I've been playing WoW for over 10 years but never took it seriously until these last few years, I'm excited for my first actual expansion release. When it was announced and bits were being released, seeing Kael'thas being in Shadowlands was amazing to see. I hope there can be some form of redemption for these characters.
What excited me most about Afterlives: Bastion, was the implication of Uther dropping Arthas into the Maw. There's a lot of theories running around now where the belief could be this is when the "machine of death" began to break, with Arthas not being viewed by the Arbiter. There's also a clear indication of Uther's soul being split and Arthas wielding "maw magic" as spoken by Devos after she views how Uther died. These can become huge plot points in the story going forward and I hope the WoW lore masters tie it all together. After BFA, I'm excited to see what they can do lore-wise with Shadowlands and am anticipating something good. Thanks for reading!
The thing in Afterlives: Bastion, as well as Shadowlands lore as a whole, is how Devos and Uther choosing to reject the "path" will affect the lore going forward/choices within the Kyrian covenant. As it stands it would seem they will eventually (already have?) become Forsworn and the Forsworn seem to have some sympathetic tones to their ideals. I know some players actually seem to prefer the Forsworn over the Kyrians so it would be interesting to see if any kind of quest line similar to the loyalist quest line for Horde players in BfA pops up for those who chose the Kyrian covenant, allowing them to side with the Forsworn or specific Kyrians like Uther and Devos, or honestly just anything involving them. I think there's a great opportunity for the lore involving Bastion and I would love to see it expanded upon in some way once the expansion is out.
Devos thighs i stand <3
I am really excited to see if we are going to meet Arthas in the maw. And if so, i want to know if he regret what he did.I am also excited to learn more about uther, i always thought he such a cool character in warcraft 3.
Uther's fall from...what we called a good hearted man, to a self-righetous, vindictive....unforgiving soul. Sure, his soul was split in half from his death, but what we see is so...shallow. AS a paladin main, watching someone I loved and researched so much about turn into this. It destroyed my love for him. It feels like being rushed into Ascension sent him further away from the Light. Damning someone else's tormented soul for your...self-righteous justice...that's not the Uther I knew. This brings a whole new beginning to the man we once knew and strived towards being. We know that those in the Maw are tormented relentlessly...and who knows if sending Arthas there just further empowered The Jailer! I can't wait to we see ARthas again....maybe he'll get a redemption arc...I just, feel so lost about Uther right now.
Firstly, I was super excited to hear about another animation from blizz, the nearly 7 minutes short story gave incredible detailed information on what lives ahead of BFA and into SL. Further, it shows the temperament and attitude of the characters namely the Bastion faction. A little egoist and self-serving. The most thing i love about the short film was despite Devos's attempt to call it vengeance, you could see Uther struggling to come interms with the word and names it Justice even if it was killing his own student. With that, i am super super super excited in exploring the lore of SL in all 4 Covenant; i wish Blizz gave us a bit more backstory on more of the fallen heros of the past.
Focused on the Bastion / Afterlives video, i'm most curious about the whole Arthas-Uther Storyline as i think this whole thing won't be done for Uther after he threw Arthas into the Maw. I think there's more to that storyline and that it'll unfold throughout the Shadowlands expansion. Also i want to see what happened to Arthas after he was thrown into the Maw. I can't wait for the other Afterlives series videos and i'm really hyped for the characters we might get to see throughout the expansion.
I'm always excited for new lore. The implications of us going to the Shadowlands are so far reaching it's kind of scary in the long run, really. What has the Jailer been doing right/wrong that has been affecting Azeroth/the universe? What is going to happen once we correct it? The possibilities are endless. More Uther and Arthas is always great, of course, but I really hope they lean into the flaws of the characters, to include their afterlife actions. Justice demands retribution; but was what Arthas got Justice? He wasn't weighed. No matter how bad his actions in life/unlife were, he was not properly judged for them. While that leaves his story again open ended, it also does the same for Uther, which is what I think is the more interesting lore line at the moment; how deep did Arthas' actions damage Uther? Can he come back from what he has done, or will he maintain his choice as correct? What if after we "fix" the Shadowlands we fix the souls ripped apart by Frostmourne? Again some amazing potential for the entire universe.
I'm excited to learn about the betrayal on the Jailer and more about the first ones. It's exciting to think that we've all been deceived this whole time, kind of like The Matrix, and now we finally have the chance to learn the truth!
I think the thing I am most excited about, is wrathion and the dragon isles. Now I know that this is a little bit out there, but I have some thought process about this. Wrathion has supposedly been searching for the dragon isles for a while right? And yet he can't find them, even in the expansion where explore the seas themselves. But then, maybe the dragon isles are not on azeroth at all? After all, why would there be some island full of never before seen titan empowered dragons? They would have been helping us all this time. Unless, The dragon isles are actually in the shadowlands. There is almost always a new zone for every .2 patch, and I think the dragon isles have a solid chance to be there as our 9.2 patch. We saw wrathian very recently in visions of nzoth, and it makes little sense to give him an updated model and then to just give up on him. I think, similar to how magni showed up on argus to reintroduce him into the story, we are going to have to travel to the afterlife of all dragons besides ysera, who was brought there by elune herself to ardenweald. My theory, is that we will have to travel to these dragon isles and fight one of the biggest threats who we never actually got to meet. Galakrond the defiler. The first naturally occurring undead, the canibal without peer. The lore that could be explored from never before seen dragons, from the death sewn, and stopping any maw forces that might have invaded their. I think it might make a nice side diversion before we fight the jailor in the third patch. We have a solid opportunity to continue wrathions story line, deal with the dragon aspects, and maybe even give the dragons back their power! or even more out there, we confront the legacy of the old gods, the soul of deathwing, a fragile maddend thing, casting a shadow over the dragon isles from deep within galakronds core.
I'm interested to see what happend to the many villains we killed in the past like Deathwing or Kaelthas.I wonder if some may changed their character completly.
One of the things that I'm most excited about, though it's an unpopular opinion, is seeing Draka in Maldraxxus. People tend to forget that she was an absolute badass, and she never had very much spotlight - even in WoD, it was all about Durotan (while he is also amazing) with Draka just standing behind him all the time.Otherwise, I really look forward to seeing Arthas again, if the Afterlives cinematic was any hint to his return, and just hoping that they don't ruin his story, or add too much more to it.
The most interesting part for me was when Uther's soul was split into two. It seems like a pretty simple addition to incorporate the evolution of Uther's soul into Bastion, but it also begs the question: what about Sylvanas's soul? Is it possible that Sylvanas herself may have experienced this soul severing and one part of her soul resides somewhere in the Shadowlands, mainly the Maw? It's possible, because I don't believe Arthas was passed through the Arbiter, but instead Uther and Devos went rogue with his soul and took Arthas straight to the Maw. I think this opens a new world of possibilities, primarily the possibility that Sylvanas may have a chance at a possible redemption story.
I want to see character development for any major lore characters we may run into, or ones we've never "really" seen in-game. I also am really hoping to see some stories of characters we haven't met before that are related to events on Azeroth, like the Culling of Stratholme. And overall, I'm excited just to dive into each covenant's lore and story and immerse myself in it!