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Analysis of the Argus the Unmaker Defeat Cinematic (Spoilers)

geposted 2017.11.29 um 15:00 von perculia

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Kommentar von Stabhorn Here's my question: where the Fel did Sargeras get that physical body? Kommentar von Darksora110 This is good stuff. Too bad this Battle for Azeroth doesn't have anything to do with what just transpire in my opinion. Kommentar von Darksora110 Here's my question: where the Fel did Sargeras get that physical body?\r
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Good question. Kommentar von Lostelf Argus is a red dot? Did it get destroyed or something in the raid? Kommentar von offspinner Argus is a red dot? Did it get destroyed or something in the raid?\r
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The red dot is the remains of the portal\/wormhole\/macguffin connecting Argus to Azeroth. Presumably, right?\r
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Argus is still out there in deep space, just no longer visible from Azeroth. Kommentar von etheldald i want to know what the hell happened to maiev, really sad to seing her gone and not saying a word about illidan. Kommentar von Pupsader Excellent analysis. Kommentar von TheRealChaoswolf Here's my question: where the Fel did Sargeras get that physical body?\r
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Good question.\r
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My understanding is that all the titans have access to physical bodies. Sargeras only used the Avatar of Sargeras to easily get to Azeroth, as it was difficult\/ needed the entire power of the Well of Eternity to get Sargeras to Azeroth in the War of the Ancients. Kommentar von Asraisirena Well if you'll note, the titans gave him one, by pulling him out of the clouds. He became corporial. I wish we'd get closure and watch Illidan defeat Sargeras. I'm gonna miss Illidan. Kommentar von AlakeiThancan My understanding is that all the titans have access to physical bodies. Sargeras only used the Avatar of Sargeras to easily get to Azeroth, as it was difficult\/ needed the entire power of the Well of Eternity to get Sargeras to Azeroth in the War of the Ancients.\r
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Mine is that he did not want to destroy Azeroth, he seeked to use its power. That's why he tried to invade us, instead of you now, using his big ass sword from the start. Kommentar von Evolyn1877 The Horde v. Alliance conflict seems so insignificant when looking at worlds corrupted by Void Lords, Old Gods being thrown through space, and entire planets destroyed.\r
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On a side note, this got me even more excited about the Infinity Wars trailer. Or maybe the Infinity Wars trailer got me excited about this. idk. I'm just excited. Kommentar von CaptainDope Here's something to think about: will Sargeras remain imprisoned forever? Will he break out, or will someone set him free? No prison lasts forever. He may have been written out of the story only to return again in the future. Maybe things will get so desperate that we will need his help against the Void. Kommentar von Stabhorn Here's my question: where the Fel did Sargeras get that physical body?\r
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Good question.\r
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My understanding is that all the titans have access to physical bodies. Sargeras only used the Avatar of Sargeras to easily get to Azeroth, as it was difficult\/ needed the entire power of the Well of Eternity to get Sargeras to Azeroth in the War of the Ancients.\r
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Dont forget that Sargeras' body died during the War of the Ancients. It was destroyed, and his spirit was cast back into the Nether. That's why he had to use an avatar in the first place; otherwise he'd still be chopping planets in half with his sword. \r
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Well if you'll note, the titans gave him one, by pulling him out of the clouds. He became corporial. I wish we'd get closure and watch Illidan defeat Sargeras. I'm gonna miss Illidan.\r
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How does that make sense? Isn't it waaaay easier to imprison a spirit than a whole entire Titan? Kommentar von RyuFlameheart However, perhaps we shouldn't trust Magni as his actions at the start of Legion unwittingly led us to our current situation and fulfilled some of Il'gynoth's whispers:
Perhaps it wouldn't be much of a good idea to trust an eyeball parasite minion of the Old Gods, no matter how accurate his whispers are.
The Old Gods are not as predictable as the whispers would have us believe. It's a setup. I think Il'gynoth (and by extension N'zoth) is setting us up to turn against Magni.

You should instead be asking why the old gods would tell us that.

Another possible theory is that he was simply relaying our thoughts to us to let us know that THEY know what's going on. We already new Magni became a servant of Azeroth (made a pawn). We know that the pillars indirectly lit our path to Argus (five torches to light our path), we know that Khadgar drew the plan to use the pillars to seal the tomb. While the other whispers cannot be truly accounted for (yet) it's not an unreal idea that they would read our minds and show us they know what we're up to. Kommentar von AlakeiThancan Dont forget that Sargeras' body died during the War of the Ancients. It was destroyed, and his spirit was cast back into the Nether.

Uhh ... No. You're confusing different facts here. Sargeras wasn't "killed" during the War of the Ancients. Broxigar the red, brother of Saurfang, merely jumped through the portal and stroke him with his axe, inflicting a puny flesh wound. Yet he is, to this day, the only mortal to ever wound Sargeras.

You're getting confused with how Aegwynn, a few milleniums ago, fought off Sargeras and defeated his physical incarnation, which she imprisonned in the Tomb of Sargeras (hence the name), while his spirit found refuge in her womb, waiting for the right time to strike (aka corrupt Medivh's mind).

The body in question is the one we fight in the Tomb of Sargeras.

Sargeras, until now, had never been defeated. By anyone. (Edit : Yeah, he was defeated by Aegwynn, but in Chronicles I think I remember it was heavily implied he lost on purpose. And even if he didn't ... He did find a way to corrupt Medivh so on the long run I count that as a win for Sargeras) Kommentar von nmb3000 Honestly, there isn't much to analyze. \r
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Legion's ending just shows that Blizzard still doesn't take storytelling seriously and can't be bothered to hire real writers with talent to create a cohesive and meaningful story. They rely on beautiful cinematics and epic music to create emotion and hope that people are blinded by that so they don't see how absurd and shallow the narrative really is. The whole of Legion was a handful of barely connected and nearly incoherent paragraphs, half of which were aborted partway through, without a meaningful arc or climax, and which threw their existing backstory and lore out the window (even "new" canon like the stuff in Chronicles).\r
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The only thing missing to make Legion worse than Warlords is Velen yelling AZEROTH IS FREE! while suddenly being BFFs with Aggramar. Kommentar von Soeroah Honestly, there isn't much to analyze.

Legion's ending just shows that Blizzard still doesn't take storytelling seriously and can't be bothered to hire real writers with talent to create a cohesive and meaningful story. They rely on beautiful cinematics and epic music to create emotion and hope that people are blinded by that so they don't see how absurd and shallow the narrative really is. The whole of Legion was a handful of barely connected and nearly incoherent paragraphs, half of which were aborted partway through, without a meaningful arc or climax, and which threw their existing backstory and lore out the window (even "new" canon like the stuff in Chronicles).

The only thing missing to make Legion worse than Warlords is Velen yelling AZEROTH IS FREE! while suddenly being BFFs with Aggramar.

Many of those "barely connected" paragraphs "half of which were aborted partway through" are most likely set up for the future.

Blizzard has already stated that they're looking to avoid the old fashioned style of "Suddenly, Arthas" expansions, where everything is self contain, and they want to seed stories well in advance. I see people complain that Sylvanas and Genn didn't get a full arc in this expansion - but that makes sense, because it's continuing in the next expansion. I see people wonder why we had Bolvar so active only for nothing to happen - it's obvious they're setting up a future story there. And the same could very well be said for many of the Order Hall followers - Arator, after all, came to Argus with us, as did Lothraxion. Calia is a follower, and the Alliance is soon going to take the Undercity. Magatha and the Doomstone wouldn't be brought back after six years just to be left alone - they want to remind players about her for some reason.

We even had a Nightborne follow us to Argus, which was completely unexpected, but showed that they were more than just a one-and-done race - and in BfA they are becoming a playable race.

People need to stop assuming stories have to be introduced and resolved in a single expansion. That's how we get rushed stories that feel unsatisfying and lurchy. We can justifiably complain about things like the Abyssal Maw, where the eventual picking up of the thread is wholly unsatisfying and retcon-y, but until then the stories could well just be getting spread across expansions, which is what Blizzard wants to do in the future. And the Chronicle thing is entirely stupid, and I want them to explain that.

In any event, Legion crushes WoD's storytelling easily. Literally the middle chapter of that expansion is missing, both for Yrel and in terms of the Legion reveal now the legendary quest chain has been removed, and the Garrison Campaign had maybe two week's worth of actual story progression among another eight weeks of disconnected busywork. Kommentar von Lautner I love the part where people think this is the end, knowing 7.3.5 is coming up soon with a bunch of changes to leveling and new stories.\r
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Where do they think Azerite comes from?\r
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Obviously the planet had to be severely wounded. Then once we remove the sword and try to stop the bleeding, we can't trust the nasty Alliance with such nuclear level power. We need to grab it all. Then, you know, use it on them for being dbags. >:) Kommentar von Stabhorn Dont forget that Sargeras' body died during the War of the Ancients. It was destroyed, and his spirit was cast back into the Nether. \r
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Uhh ... No. You're confusing different facts here. Sargeras wasn't "killed" during the War of the Ancients. Broxigar the red, brother of Saurfang, merely jumped through the portal and stroke him with his axe, inflicting a puny flesh wound. Yet he is, to this day, the only mortal to ever wound Sargeras.\r
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You're getting confused with how Aegwynn, a few milleniums ago, fought off Sargeras and defeated his physical incarnation, which she imprisonned in the Tomb of Sargeras (hence the name), while his spirit found refuge in her womb, waiting for the right time to strike (aka corrupt Medivh's mind). \r
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The body in question is the one we fight in the Tomb of Sargeras.\r
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Sargeras, until now, had never been defeated. By anyone. (Edit : Yeah, he was defeated by Aegwynn, but in Chronicles I think I remember it was heavily implied he lost on purpose. And even if he didn't ... He did find a way to corrupt Medivh so on the long run I count that as a win for Sargeras)\r
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No, I am not. The Avatar is a completely different body. After Brox wounded Sargeras, the Titan then started to climb through the Well of Eternity. You could even see Brox impaled on the tip of Gorribal. Sargeras was halfway through the portal when Krasus dumped a mountain of energy into the Dragon Soul. The portal then imploded.\r
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The book describes it as 'Sargeras simply...ceased to be.' This led a lot of people to believe he was dead, so the devs clarified that only his body was destroyed, and that his spirit was loose in the Nether. Hence why he had to build himself an avatar. Sargeras' titanic body was destroyed in the Sundering right after being wounded by Brox. This is 100% canon. Kommentar von kodora1316 I enjoy reading posts about the lore and even the discussions between others in the comments. I\u2019ve never read any of the books, but now I really think I should.

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