Wowhead Economy Weekly Wrap-Up 181 - Classic Auction House Throttle, Korthite Crystal Reagent

Live Geposted 13.06.2021 um 13:00 von perculia

SamadanTSMYouTubeTwitchBurning Crusade Classic Auction House Throttlerecently updated the Classic AH with some fixes

With hotfixes earlier today that are in place on all realms, we’ve implemented updates to address Auction House service issues on the largest Burning Crusade Classic realms.In today’s hotfixes update later, you’ll see them listed like this:Auction House

Implemented settings changes intended to lower the time it takes to search the Auction House.
Players who list, bid, buy out, or cancel a very large number of auctions may now incur a delay between consecutive actions.

As before, we’re paying very close attention to the Auction Houses, and we’ll make further adjustments as necessary.

In Classic, the first and last page system is integral in searching for early/late bargains.

The price of your bid and buyout is important in making your auctions attractive/get noticed.

You have choice who and what stack size you buy which plays an important role in how to list your auctions.

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TL;DR:
Instead of throttling the AH or introducing the Retail system, please allow addons to request data for more than 50 auctions at a time. If someone searches for Netherweave Cloth, they’d only need one search request instead of one for every 50 netherweave cloth auctions. This would dramatically reduce the stress on the AH.
You can think of the current system as the AH getting DDoS attacked with search requests. This change would fix that.

Throttling or introducing the retail AH isn’t a good approach to “fix” this. Please consider an alternative approach:

The reason the AH is as slow as it is on higher pop realms is that there are simply too many players. Layering allowed Blizzard to have more players on one realm, but since this does not apply to the AH, the AH became a bottleneck.

Twice the number of players doesn’t mean twice the number of search requests though. Since the number of auctions each player has to search through also doubles, the number of search requests actually quadruples. That’s why things get so bad so quickly.

But we can’t change the server sizes now. So what can be done to fix the performance issues?

We saw Blizzard take this same approach of throttling the AH in retail. And while it works to some degree, it makes the experience of playing the AH a lot worse.

There is a much better approach though and I am not sure why nobody is talking about this:

Allow addons to request data on all auctions matching the search filters all at once, instead of splitting it into chunks of 50.
Right now, if there are 789 auctions for Netherweave Cloth and someone searches the AH using an AH addon (or even manually), the AH gets bombarded with 16 search requests, because you have to flip through 16 pages of auctions.

If AH addons could simply request all that information with one search request, this would make things much faster and dramatically reduce the stress on the AH servers.
While this one search would be bigger than each of the smaller 16 searches, it would be much faster and smaller than the sum of the 16 searches combined. It saves on a lot of overhead.

A while ago, I believe it was during BfA, Blizzard actually introduced a bug where adding the “Usable” filter to a search did just this. When you added “Usable” to a search, the AH would return all search results at once, instead of splitting it into chunks of 50.
This made things so much faster. It was so good that addons like TSM even incorporated it into their code. When ever possible, they’d add “usable” to their searches and it sped things up considerably. Until they “fixed” it eventually.

If Blizzard allowed addons to request all the data at once, or even just the data for 500 auctions instead of 50 at once, this would dramatically reduce the number of search requests that the AH servers have to deal with.

This would speed up the AH for everyone, without throttling people and ruining the experience of people who enjoy playing the Classic style AH.

On the forums here there are people who are calling for Blizzard to implement the Retail style AH in Classic to “fix” the situation.

But implementing the Retail AH is not a fix. It would absolutely ruin Classic for me and a lot of other people who enjoy Classic because of the old AH system. I know not everyone cares about the AH and people want #SomeChanges, but this would completely ruin it for me.

I enjoy PvP, the old world and talents, but the main reason I enjoy Classic is the old AH system. I absolutely love it. You actually need to think about what stacksizes people might want - you can even charge a premium for convenience.
I love being able to offer my materials at two price points at the same time by offering a lower bid.
I love that even when you get undercut you still get some sales because you offer a convenient stacksize.

The retail AH system takes all of that away. Stacksizes don’t matter. You can’t offer lower bids for stackable items. The only way to sell something is to be the cheapest. Get undercut a minute after logging out? Your auction cannot sell unless it’s actually the cheapest.

The throttling Blizzard just introduced is already bad enough and makes posting, cancelling or buying large numbers of auctions a pain.
But I am scared that this is just the first step towards them introducing the Retail AH in Classic as their “fix”.

Please, Blizzard, do not introduce the retail AH in Classic or keep this throttling in place. Instead, please consider allowing addons to request data on more than 50 auctions per search request.

Thank you!

SapuTSM

Throttling the AH is such a terrible solution. Once again, Blizzard would rather degrade some users' experience than actually work with addon developers (who they directly blamed for past issues on retail) to actually fix the problem. https://t.co/QKhvnq7Lk8

— Sapu (@Sapu94) June 12, 2021Korthite Crystal CostsVestige of OriginsKorthite CrystalsI think that the tailoring being higher is an effort to fix costs. BS and LW were always more expensive than tailoring leggos on my server. In fact, tailoring anything on my server is worth about nothingJack the Dipper also made a post

The Korthite Crystal is an item that can be obtained in Korthia by doing dailies, finding treasures, killing rares, and the weekly quests. These ways of obtaining Korthite Crystals aren’t even á 100% guaranteed. It could mean that the Korthite Crystal will be very hard to obtain or expensive to buy at the auction house. These costs will calculate this in the rank 5’s and 6’s, and I’m not sure if the casual or hardcore player will be happy with this situation.

Farmers will have to benefit most from this system if they have a couple of alts that can do the new content. They will have a better chance of getting one or more Korthite Crystals every day. However, nobody can craft the rank 5 in the first week of 9.1 because the Vestige of Origin is reputation and renown gated. You will need to become honored with the Death’s Advance to get the recipe from Dutchess Mynx and renown 44 with your covenant. It’s is only possible in week two of Shadowlands 9.1, and that means the first week, the Korthite Crystal, will be saved or posted on the auction house.

Will the big gold makers be buying every Korthite Crystal from the auction house to control the market? Are they going to wait for an undercutting war, or is sniping them from people who don’t know the value of the Korthite Crystals going to be the way?

Manthieus Alts & Setting up Passive Incomeu/fugazii

I have like x10 level 50 alts and x4 level 60 alts on retail. All of them have T3 garrisons and maxed out legion tables. I also will level more level 50 most likely (side question - best expansion to make money on herb/mining while leveling?).

I am wondering what low effort activities would be best to grab some "free" gold?

Here are my ideas:

SL table (low effort, only level 60)
SL callings (some effort, only level 60)
SL call of arms (some effort, only level 60)
Camp some rares (low effort, but removes others activities)
Old raid farming (high effort)

An important caveat we should mention is that the break even point for when the Mission Table becomes Anima neutral to Anima positive (can I only do missions and grab enough Anima from missions that reward Anima tokens to keep running missions?) come from upgrading your Sanctum to all Rank 2s, and then all Rank 3s.

https://www.wowhead.com/news/increased-anima-rewards-hotfix-new-upgrading-covenant-sanctum-achievements-321795

If you don't have enough Anima to upgrade your Sanctum buildings, then you really have to be picky with your missions otherwise you will be Anima starved and have to actively play your alts (raids, WQs, M+, PvP daily wins) to get enough Anima to run your missions. (The Anima starvation really comes from the Profession Caches, like the Hero's Herbalism Cache or the Champion's Enchanting Cache etc. - at 30 Anima and 50 Anima, if you are still at Rank 1, those add up a lot to your expenses and might be worth skipping vs the gold missions and Augment Runes (expensive but better return) and the Anima tokens)

At Rank 3 Sanctums, you can be frivolous with every mission and chain run even the expensive ones and still get enough Anima from the table itself to fuel further missions so your alt can be truly passive and just log in a couple of times per day and be set.

In 9.1 Renown at 42 and 58 will up the Anima token drops from WQs: https://ptr.wowhead.com/news/further-increase-your-anima-gains-with-renown-in-patch-9-1-chains-of-domination-321854 (I can't actively check the PTR it is disconnecting me to confirm this)

Don't try to grind out the Anima positive Sanctum 3 upgrades by playing several hours a day. Take it step by step, take advantage of weekly lockouts to setup your mission table otherwise you will burn yourself out.I have alt army as well. Garssion herbs and ores sells, also collect resources and buy cheap hides / fures in Trade house. Pandaria farm in Halfhill - fastest way how to farm trillium ores. Professions - daily cooldowns, e.g. Sky golem takes 30 days to craft. Legion missions for blood of Sargeras and buy with it legion herbs / ores. BFA missions for pet charms, buy with it pets, cage them, sell them. World quests for golds - e.g. in BFA there is q 15 tempest hides, buy them for 15g and get reward 150g. Some sort of shuffle.I use mine for professions. Even without spending a fortune on legendary levels there is always something to craft and sell for a 15-20% profit on my realm.Further Reading/r/woweconomyDiscord ServerTwitch@SamadanPlaysWoW

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