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Kommentar von Aqzt

Got his bow for my hunter on my first run of WC... it rocks! It's good for PvP and PvE. Definitely try to get it.

Kommentar von 1280

This bow is perfect for lower levels as the proc is an added bonus . I have used this on my hunter from 19 til about almost 30 due to proc chance.

Kommentar von izlude

This bow is not to easy to get even for a low level instnace, plan on saving enough XP to run a few times to get it, other wise you will not see it coming and have to wast to much xp getting it, i was almost 19 and 1/2 when i saw it drop

Kommentar von Minora

This is by far the best level 19 bow out there (atleast for now).
The runner up is the Warsong Gulch reward bow.
Outrunner's Bow (Alliance)
Outrider's Bow (Horde)

Kommentar von 47522

Is this guy possible to farm? i.e can you get a twink run through to this point without having to kill any other bosses and not too much trash? or do you have to go around the whole instance?

Kommentar von Tsaza

After last boss there is hole to jump down into a pool. Take your friend to wait there and then pull this boss nearby the hole, so when you kill it up there your friend will get the loot in group loot/ml.

Kommentar von warioman

this is a super good bow for lvl 19 twinks although it is hard to get as an ally it is so worth it

Kommentar von Thottbot

I came across this WSGing, when Horde Hunters appeared to use nature attacks on me, to very unpleasant ends. I thotted the proc, and found the bow 2 visits to the Wailing Caverns nearly pushed me over the 20 threshold, but its well worth it, The Proc crits, and seems to when the actual base damage crits, I've popped some absolute Show stoppers with this thing. It wrecks Powerword shield, it does horrible damage to warriors, and is general horrible death. Lovely. Oh and it procs on multi, for certain.

Kommentar von Thottbot

Venomstrike is supposed to be faster, and it really depends on you fighting style in PvP. Try them first hand and figure it out. Or keep them both and alternate in different circumstances (Like those evil sword rogues that love to scare you with an ambush).

Kommentar von Thottbot

This bow appears to have been buffed up in the last patch, a screenshot of the new details follows:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v605/alessthanperfectfiction/venomstrike.jpg

As far as I can see this makes it better than Lil Timmy's Peashooter, and your respective Warsong Gulch reward bow. Making it the new best twink weapon...

Kommentar von Thottbot

leggings of the fang are no longer worth getting for the proper twink :)

Kommentar von Thottbot

If you want to get tech. with 19 hunter twinks, here is my perfered layout.

Note that this is a primary STA build over AGI (You lose 2-3 Damage but its worth the HP boost)
Item Slot (Enchant)

Head: Lucky Fishing Hat (+100 HP)/Green Tinted Goggles (+100 HP)
Neck: Sentinel's/Scouts Medallion
Shoulder: Talbar Mantle / Aldor/Scryer Rep enchant on Grey shoulders
Back: Sentry Cloak (+3 AGI)
Chest: Blackened Defias Armor (+100 HP)
Bracers: Forest Leather Braces (+9 STA)/ Wrangler's Wristbands of the Monkey (+9 STA)
Hands: Scouting Gloves of the Monkey (+15 AGI)
Legs: Dark Leather Pants (+30 STA and +10 AGI)
Boots: Nat Pagle's Extreme Anglin' Boots (+12 STA/ +9 STA and Minor Speed) / Feet of the Lynx (+7 STA)
Finger 1: Seal of Wrynn
Finger 2: Protector's/Legionaire's Band
Trinket 1: Insignia of the Alliance/Horde
Trinket 2: Arena Grand Master

Melee Weapon: Twisted Chanter's Staff (+25 AGI)
Ranged Weapon: Venomstrike (+3 DMG Scope)

You could vary this build to your liking but I found that even though AGI has more Damage/Crit, living is more important.

I listed Feet of the Lynx and Green Tinted Goggles because getting the fishing gear can be very tricky. On my Hunter I managed to snag the boots but am still working at getting the hat.

The rep enchant on the shoulders could be consider exploiting so use with caution if at all (I personally haven't done it, and it may have been fixed by now)

If you want I could list alternate AGI build, but if you plan to make a twink hunter, go STA build... STA Rogues seem to fair better as well

Any questions about 19 twink hunters email me at matthew-andrews@hotmail.com or ingame Kilia or Heian on Malorne Alliance

Note: I am aware that Horde are unable to get the Seal of Wrynn but am not sure what the Horde alternative to that is.

My hunter has around 1800 HP and 900-1000 Mana and still hits 74-101 with over 20% crit, which owns in 19 PvP, If you want more accurate stats I can post them.

AGI Build would be more like..

(Only displaying changes in gear/enchants)

Lucky Fishing Hat (+8 AGI)
Glowing Lizard Cloak (+3 AGI)
Tunic of Westfall (+4 All Stats)
Forest Leather Bracers (+9 STA)
Scouting Gloves of Agility (+15 AGI)
Dark Leather Pants (+30 STA and +10 AGI)
Feet of the Lynx (+7 AGI) or Nat Pagle's Extreme Anglin' Boots (+9 AGI and Minor speed/+12 AGI)

That's what I would go for for an agility build, but like I said I prefer STA

Kommentar von Thottbot

I'm collecting some results from dmgmeter, here is what I have so far from some matches.

Shot Name	Number
----------	------
Auto Shot	735
Arcane Shot	312
Multi Shot	264
Serpent Sting	409
-----	-----
Total	1720
-----	-----
Venom Shot	205

Proc including instants: 205/1720 = 11.9%

Now the question is - does the bow proc only from autoshot or do instants also count? There seems to be some discussion on this on various forums but it is our opinion (myself and a few other friend hunter twinks) that any arrow shot from the bow can cause the proc. Thus we feel the proc rate is about 12%.

And I do see the proc is sometimes able to crit.

Kommentar von Thottbot

As I read through all comments, I saw nobody were doing some math on this bow vs other twink weapons. I'll skip through chit-chat and get to the point:

Venomstrike, 26-50 damage, 2.40 speed, 15.8 dps, 31-45 ND proc.

Outrunner's Bow, 25-48 damage, 2.40 speed, 15.2 dps.

Lil Timmy's Peashooter, 26-48, 2.60 speed, 14.2 dps.

It looks like Venomstrike is the best weapon if we compare them this way. Outrunner's bow and Venomstrike got same speed, so I'll already quit calculating on Outrunner's Bow, since Venomstrike got higher damage and its proc.

Now... Let us add a +3 scope to each weapon.
https://www.wowhead.com/classic/item=4407/genaues-zielfernrohr
It says requires level 20. This is item level. Not character level. Venomstrike and Lil Timmy's Peashooter has an item level above level 20.

Venomstrike, average damage 26+(3)+50(+3)/2=41, dps 41/2.4=17,08333...

Lil Timmy's Peashooter, average damage 26(+3)+48(+3)/2=40, dps 40/2.6=15,385

Let me guess. You probably think Venomstike is way better the Lil Timmy's Peashooter. Take a look on the next math:

Let us add sharp arrows to Venomstrikes dps. It says "Adds 3.5 damage per second". Venomstrike got 2.4 speed, therefore sharp arrows will add 3.5 multiplied 2.4 dps, which is 8.4 extra dps.
Venomstrike, dps 17.08333...+8.4=25.48333.

Let us add crafted heavy shots to Lil Timmy's dps. It says "Adds 4.5 damage per second". Lil Timmy's Peashooter got 2.6 speed, therefore crafted heavy shots will add 4.5 multiplied 2.6 dps, which is 11.7 extra dps.
Lil Timmy's Peashooter, dps 15.385+11.7=27.086.

As you see:
Venomstrike got 25.483 dps+proc.
Lil Timmy's Peashooter got 27.086 dps.

But compare this too:
Venomstrike deals 29-53+8.4 damage.
Lowest damage is 37.4+proc. Highest is 61.4+proc.
Lil Timmy's peashooter deals 29-51+11.7 damage.
Lowest damage is 40.7. Highest is 62.7.

I would say Venomstrike win over Lil Timmy's Peashooter. My argue will be:
Venomstrike's dps vs Lil Timmy's Peashooter's dps is like:
25.483 dps+proc vs 27.086 dps
<=> proc vs 1,603.

I haven't done any calculation on Venomstrike's proc, but I guess it has more than 1.603 dps. On top of that, nature damage penetrates armor. You'll almost find no player with a decent nature resistance in 10-19 level bracket.

There will be too much trouble to add ammo pouch/quivers to my calculation, since then I would have to add proc chance, proc damage, proc dps, crits with talents, crits without talents, burst damage and probably some other stuff...

I hope you enjoy my calculations =).

Best regards.
- Ealdor.

Kommentar von Thottbot

As I read through all comments, I saw nobody were doing some math on this bow vs other ranged twink weapons. I'll skip chit-chat and get to the point:

Venomstrike, 26-50 damage, 2.40 speed, 15.8 dps, 31-45 ND proc.

Outrunner's Bow, 25-48 damage, 2.40 speed, 15.2 dps.

Lil Timmy's Peashooter, 26-48, 2.60 speed, 14.2 dps.

It looks like Venomstrike is the best ranged weapon if we compare them this way. Outrunner's Bow and Venomstrike got same speed, so I'll already quit calculating on Outrunner's Bow, since Venomstrike got higher damage and its proc.

Now... Let us add a +3 scope, Accurate Scope, to each weapon.
It says requires level 20. This is item level. Not character level. Venomstrike and Lil Timmy's Peashooter has an item level above level 20.
Just keep in your mind that you need a level 20+ character to attach it to your range weapon in the non-trade slot.

Venomstrike, average damage 26+(3)+50(+3)/2=41, dps 41/2.4=17,083.

Lil Timmy's Peashooter, average damage 26(+3)+48(+3)/2=40, dps 40/2.6=15,385.

Let me guess. You probably think Venomstike is way better the Lil Timmy's Peashooter. Take a look on the next math:

Let us add Sharp Arrow to Venomstrikes dps. It says "Adds 3.5 damage per second". Venomstrike, dps 17.08333...+3.5=20.583dps.

Let us add Crafted Heavy Shot to Lil Timmy's Peashooter dps. It says "Adds 4.5 damage per second". Lil Timmy's Peashooter, dps 15.385+4.5=19.886.

As you see:
Venomstrike got 20.583 dps+proc.
Lil Timmy's Peashooter got 19.886 dps.

But compare this too:
Venomstrike deals 29-53+8.4 damage.
Lowest damage is 37.4+proc. Highest is 61.4+proc.
Lil Timmy's peashooter deals 29-51+11.7 damage.
Lowest damage is 40.7. Highest is 62.7.

The added damage is the ammo. 3.5 dps multiplied with 2.4 speed for Venomstrike and 4.5 dps multiplied 2.6 speed for Lil Timmy's Peashooter.

I would say Venomstrike win over Lil Timmy's Peashooter. My argue will be:
Venomstrike's dps vs Lil Timmy's Peashooter's dps is like:
20.583 dps+proc vs 19.886 dps
<=> proc vs -0.697.

I haven't done any calculation on Venomstrike's proc, but I guess it has more than 1.603 dps. On top of that, nature damage penetrates armor. You'll almost find no player with a decent nature resistance in 10-19 level bracket.

Ammo pouches/Quivers increase attack speed by 10% (you can actually got 11% pouch/quiver as Alliance) which will add more range attacks.
The quest is "The Night Watch". It's a level 30 quest in Duskwood.

I hope you enjoyed my calculations =).

Best regards.
- Ealdor.

And thanks to zhopa for correcting me.

Kommentar von Thottbot

To add to my previous post on how to get Venomstrike by using the pool/master looter, for those of you who want to get Leggings of the fang this method will also work. clear up to the river, take a left this time, go straight ahead til u see the clif edge above you and have ur high lvl run right thru the low lvl mobs and take out cobrahn. I've done this for several twinks as Leggings of the Fang was the best possible legs at the time, also for the belt Cobrahn's Grasp which is best warrior and arguably best pally belt. This is the best way of getting these items if u are already lvl 19 or do not want to go too far into lvl 18 to save room for quest items...the only xp u should get are from the bosses. If you are like ready to lvl if u get one kill....there is a way to get absolutely no xp but it is mad hard and takes forever...the way is you have the high lvl clear the entire way...then you run up start attacking then die then high lvl kills boss...because u were dead u dont get xp but when u revive at the instance u can still loot.....my advice...dont let it get to that point. Start doing WC at lvl 12-14

Note: if you have a choise of who you are getting to run you through the best would be a high lvl hunter...reason for this is that they can run through using aspect of the cheatah and if they accidentally walk into a mob they can feign death and just keep going without just getting attacked and not killing cuz u get xp.

GL to all who are trying for this bow it truly is incredible.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

I was running WC, and Cobrahn dropped this.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

This bow is actually quite disappointing when compared with
Light Bow
Binds when equipped
BowBow
13 - 26 DamageSpeed 1.70
(11.5 damage per second)
Requires Level 16

Venomstrike
Binds when picked up
BowBow
26 - 50 DamageSpeed 2.40
(15.8 damage per second)
Requires Level 19
Equip: Chance to strike your ranged target with a Venom Shot for 31 to 45 Nature damage.

considering you put on a +2 scope on venomstrike you will still only get a wepon around 21.6 dps while compared to light bow with a +12 scope which will hav around 22.4 dps meaning that overall light bow > venomstrike. indeed your multishot will suffer but within that regards you will be able shoot more often reducing the problem of 'missing'

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Nice lil bow, dropped yesterday on my first run (and total clear) with my Orc Hunter on Eonar. He was L19 at the time, so the next couple WSGs were pretty fun.

Still usin' it at 21, lol. No Rokh 'Delar, but get ganks twinks nicely enough...

Kommentar von Allakhazam

I've managed to gather 130g on my level 15 main by mining, making a twink hunter with it :)

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Can't decide if this was a gimp or not from 11.5dps +1-6 nature dmg to 9.6 chance on hit 31-45 nature dmg. As long as the proc pops a lot seems like a buff.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

If you have a high level alt, a low level friend (Appropriate to WC level), and no one to run you...

Have your High level run through the instance with the friend, clear up to this boss, make sure your friend is party leader, and bring your main out of the instance, killing any re-spawned pats along the way. Leave the party, log, re-log onto your hunter, have your friend invite you, and enter the instance, run to the boss, and kill him.

He's pretty straight-foreward, I over-DPSed on my Hunter (Under-estimated my new gear), and my Boar couldn't keep the Aggro, but we lived (Well, I soulstoned, and the warlock died as the boss died after panicing and sacing his Void), and it dropped on the first try. Thank you Random Number Generator, Thank you. :P

Carrin - Level 19 Hunter - Drak'Thul

Kommentar von Allakhazam

this bow is avil. to both alliance and horde and yes it drops off of serpentise probably 1 out of every 10 runs or at least for me at has. Hope this helps whoever needs to know this

Kommentar von Allakhazam

wow i got mines for my hunter on my first WCs run (once on my hunter and twice 11 times 4 my friend but he never got it)lol everybody passed on venomstrike coz like i was useing a grey gun and this rogue was cheaky and went 4 need... my bro kicked him and i have the bow yay yay (my bro was hosting the WC run)

Kommentar von Allakhazam

I got this second time through, its nice =)

Kommentar von Allakhazam

sorry about the last one(my cat hit enter)eneyway I'v just seen this bow about 5min ago and I want it so I want to know wer to find it and if it's avable to both Horde & Alince ythank you

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Can alliance get this weapon?

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Have done around 20th runs now, and no bow /sigh :/

Kommentar von Allakhazam

The only things I've read here are about Oh I got it on my so and so run so many times. I've been wondering if anyone has any input on how well the damage fares to say Lil Timmy's Peashooter. Provided Lil Timmy's has a higher DPS, but how often does the Proc on this weapon go off?

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Do u have to have the quest for the the lords and ladies to spwan? Im aliance and would love the venomstrike bow.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

my god i Killed this guy like...... Bajililons of times ... all i keep getting is the Footpad boots .. and the Savage boots ... -_- im begining to think .. he doesnt drop it ?
Those who have this bow .. how many times did you kill him before he dropped it ? TIA

Kommentar von Allakhazam

i finally got it after the 21st run and i was really happy.. i also got the leggins of the fang on the 22nd run so whoever didnt get it on 20th run go to one more and i bet you will get it :-D

Kommentar von Allakhazam

ive been farming WC for a while on my rogue hunter and druid. hunter and rogue are twinks and just now while my rogue was running through this dropped NOTFOR MY HUNTER! i was like /twitch /depressed then i got lil timmys peashooter and everything was fine..........until the stinging viper dropped.........for my hunter :O

Kommentar von Allakhazam

droped on my first kill
rolled 97 for it after saying "NNNN" in party chat and the bastard rolled

Kommentar von Allakhazam

18th time running this and i still didnt get it too drop i have been killing serpentis all the time and all he been droping is that dang boots... i got at least 10 sets of the feet of the fang or whatever... it really REALLY getting annoying.. if this is right... idk

Kommentar von Allakhazam

killed lord serpentis 2 times now. dropped the bow both times
*lucky ? =)

Kommentar von Allakhazam

ok, i got this bow from killing the last druid, lord fang whatever, in the Wailing Caverns, in the Barrens. He's the guy next to the Huge Tree.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

They are missing the +3-6 Nature damage, bringing the DPS to 11.5.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Got this on my first visit in WC with a group of guildies. Had to wait 2 Levels to use it though, as I was level 17 then.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

I've now done WC about 15 times with several characters - never once seen this drop.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

I got this 1st time in WC, - it's still being used. Great!

Kommentar von Allakhazam

I've been farming this instance for days now trying to get this bow for a wsg 19 alt and I've killed this guy at least 20 times and it hasn't dropped yet! Did blizzard change this drop in the patch or something?

Kommentar von Allakhazam

my mate decied he was bored and ran me through WC at lvl 17. this dropped and so did a blue staff <living root> and a blue ring <deep fathom>

not a bad 30 minutes of my little hunters life..lol

Kommentar von Allakhazam

This is honestly THE best bow you can get from 19-25 or so. Its got amazing dps at 19, and the proc goes off fairly often, and crits just as much. Im still using it at 35 on my hunter, so get it if you can.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

I was lucky enough to get this the other week. However i dont think the Venom shot damage has gone off once. Out of at least 2 thousand shots. How often should it be going off? Should I talk to blizz?

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Double post.. didn't realize there was a delay

Edited, Mar 4th 2007 2:32pm by Queight

Kommentar von Allakhazam

On my hunter main running through Wc around 20 times and neither leggings of the fnag or this ever dropped now on my shamy my priest my rogue all around 2-3 time both of those pieces have dropped every single time. Strnage how luck works out lol.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

He just dropped it for me last night. It was the 6th time I've killed him. So he does still drop it, and my hunter is very pleased.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

this bow is avil. to both alliance and horde and yes it drops off of serpentise probably 1 out of every 10 runs or at least for me at has. Hope this helps whoever needs to know this

Kommentar von Allakhazam

I lost this bow to a warrior that needed it :( because he uses bow to pull with

I can't believe that such noobs still exsist in December 2006 he even claimed to be in a BWL raiding guild....

Kommentar von Allakhazam

I got this wonderful piece of Bow for my Warrior, lucky enough, i was accompanied with a lvl.60 Rogue which didnt care of the drops. First time i was in WC too, so i was kinda lucky.

Edited, Fri Jul 15 13:27:36 2005

Kommentar von Allakhazam

yeah droped for me finaly on about my 13th run, tryed to get it for my twink 19 hunter. well its a great bow looks cool too.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

haha got this and pants of the fang and sum blue cape my first rogue for twink. love it

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Ran it once got it once

Kommentar von Allakhazam

so is it in the night elfa rea?

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Got it on my first Serpentis kill, so I can verify that he does indeed drop it.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

pic?

Kommentar von Allakhazam

this bow is avil. to both alliance and horde and yes it drops off of serpentise probably 1 out of every 10 runs or at least for me at has. Hope this helps whoever needs to know this

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Is this a good Night Elf 19 twink bow or is there a better one?

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Arg, everytime I go here, he never drops it! >.<

Kommentar von Allakhazam

this dropped a long time ago when I needed it, I said I needed it, and this rogue goes, "I do too", and rolls, and wins, I was PISSED

Kommentar von Allakhazam

If you have the armor set Embrace of the Fang, which has a +7 bonus for nature spells and effects, will the nature damage on this bow benefit from it? If you have had both the armor and the bow and know the answer for sure from actual experience, please post a reply so everyone will know.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

ran it a good 12 times NO DROPS

Kommentar von Allakhazam

ok to all of you who are like "OMG I GOT IT, IT PWNS" your a noob. this is for all the people who wanna know how it compares to lil timmy's. this bow is far better for a twink hunter, it shoots faster. and hits harder, the poison doesnt proc much for me but it seems to crit alot...but the speed was the biggest thing for me, there is a secret to get this bow, for all you twinks out there who dont have alot of exp to waste...
sorry that i dont have a map
if you clear into the instance to the open room at the end of the tunnel where the aligators are, and stand against the wall where the boss is above...and have the lvl 60+ run to the top with out agro...kite the boss to right above you and kill him you should be able to get loot if it is on group loot.....if i didnt explain this right, message me on fulofcaffine or twinkmeup on firetree server

Kommentar von Allakhazam

i took my cousin through and he got we got it 1st run

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Kommentar von Allakhazam

As somebody else posted:

Lil Timmy's Peashooter
Binds when equipped
Range Gun
26 - 48 Damage Speed 2.60
(14.2 damage per second)
Requires Level 16

Venomstrike
Binds when picked up
Bow Bow
26 - 50 Damage Speed 2.40
(15.8 damage per second)
Requires Level 19
Equip: Chance to strike your ranged target with a Venom Shot for 31 to 45 Nature damage.

What they didn't post was the ammo difference:

Sharp Arrow
Ammo Arrow
3 - 4 Damage
(3.5 damage per second)
Requires Level 10

Crafted Heavy Shot
Ammo Bullet
4 - 5 Damage
(4.5 damage per second)
Requires Level 15

Taking into account the ammo, Venomstrike is only .6 DPS higher. It is slightly faster and that will work to your advantage.

Kommentar von ripgnar

I tested it with + 26 nature damage stat equipped. I only had 26 procs of which my minimum was 31 damage and max was 45 damage, so it seems the + nature damage stat did not affect it otherwise I should not have been able to get the minimum 31 damage. The proc can crit.

Kommentar von uxn0wn

I am beyond frustrated with blizzard about this bow. The 17% drop rate is a complete lie. Ive seen eye of rag and bindings drop more than this bow. After 43 kills, bow never dropped for me. After that, I finally realized this game is a complete total waste of time and everything. Garbage game.

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