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Kommentar von 32

This mace is great, I was viewing the Arena Armor sets that were leaked. The great-sword (comparable to high warlords sword for 60) for level 70 did around 119 dps.

Kommentar von Blacknight

Oh My God..... This Wepapon Is better Than Sulfuras!!!

Kommentar von greengoo

The problem with Sulfurus is that it is a Mace. Speccing maces for warriors does not help them increase their damage, like the other specs do. It adds a stun effect at random, versus an extra attack (2% chance) or an extra 5% crit. This logic is what makes many raiders justify the large number of Paladins with Sulfurus compared to warriors. However, due to the extremely powerful nature of MoM, I think we can all assume the Warriors will look past the inadequacies of Mace spec, just this once :)

Kommentar von Jimmz

Would love to have that on my shammy ;)
And Curse got it on their first Kel kill.

Kommentar von 4901

just today i saw a mace that had around 98.6 DPS or something....BELIVE ME, I'M NOT WRONG! I was watching my friends screen for like 5 minutes and then he's guild sends a msg with a two-handed mace with DPS about 98,3 - 98,6. I was going to look after it here but didn't find it :(

Kommentar von 5117

*drool* i want it !!!

Kommentar von 5277

This is good for warriors who are arms spec because it would cause massive damage with Mortal Strike. I'd love to have this on my warrior.

Kommentar von 3118

The low stats (for such a great item) and high DPS make this not for druid to touch.

Kommentar von 7343

No need to discuss MS is the best 2H build for a warrior, you can go 2H fury build, which can be good in some situations but serious thebesthelper, you probably don't know anything about warriors, you can't even remember the spec you think is a lot better than arms for a 2H weapon. And no there is no "chance" to get 1000 more damage on a crit it depends on your buffs and the amount of armor your enemy got.

Kommentar von Marik

Hmm why does every weapon in the entire game has to be a pure MS war wpn ? I don't get it warriors using 2h maces? :O You should stick with using 2h sword because you will never get a 3k MS on plate I know this because I'm a pally and the best dmg a warrior got on my with MOM was 900 crit.

Kommentar von 47772

I was surprised when i saw this weapon after BC came out. Before then i didn't know of it. It's actually better than my weapon right now! Crow Wing Reaper. Deffinetly a VERY VERY strong weapon.

Kommentar von Thottbot

You're right, DnT got the third world kill. Nihilum got first, Risen second. I have to say DnT probably got the best drops though. I believe they got Might of Menethil, Hammer of the Twisting Nether, Plagueheart Ring and Ring of Redemption. Risen got the new dagger, Kingsfall and the Doomfinger wand.

Ow well, matter of time before the tactics are released and everyone starts killing them. None of this will be special anymore, just more epics.

Kommentar von Thottbot

This Mace was wielded by Arthas Menethil himself before he threw it away to get Frostmourne.

It's my very dream to hold this in my hands like Arthas did.

Kommentar von Thottbot

OMG! VENDOR! VENDOR! VENDOR!

Kommentar von Thottbot

most of you will never even see the inside of naxx, let alone progress through it, and your whining to eachother about who gets this? LOL

sure warriors could use it to it's full potential but then they wouldn't being fulfilling their full potential (DW fury / prot > all) this is really just for @#$%s and giggles imo. for example: Mr.palli/shaman/warrior,"that was a long raid lets go pvp! hey lets use this weapon LAWL."

The End
(best movie eva)

Kommentar von Thottbot

It's funny how everytime an new weapon comes out the only comments about it are which class it should go to, how paladins can't dps, how druids aren't healbots, HUNTER WEAPON!, warriors are not tanks and druids aren't either, blah blah blah, etc.

Kommentar von Thottbot

i'm not asian....

admittedly, we've only dropped the first 4 bosses in Naxx but this is for all those arguing re: classes above.....

DKP IS THE LAW

End Of Story.

Kommentar von Thottbot

My opinion on this weapon is that it is for Warriors(it's plainly obvious with it's stats to show why a warrior should get this first above all other players), Paladins(they need a good weapon to compensate for the fact that they suck), and perhaps, maybe, Shamans(they do melee often enough to benefit but this weapons stats arent appropriate for them. Gotta say this weapon is far more powerful than Sulfuras, Hand of Ragnaros, and it looks cooler to boot! While it does match the Dreadnaught armor in looks, anyone who actually has the whole Dreadnaught armor set should be denied this weapon for the fact that they are obviously for PvE and not PvP which this weapon is clearly set for. And if I ever see a goddamn hunter with this weapon I swear I will #$%^ing kick their ass until they either sell this weapon, disenchant it, or destroy it, cause THIS IS NOT A HUNTER WEAPON! I am sick and tired of hunter's claiming every weapon that drops is a hunter weapon, what the hell are you hunters going to do next? Claim a wand is a hunter weapon? Anyways I just thought I would put my views up for yall to see, till then I'm out.

Peace,
Novakasaldith

P.S. Dragons FTW!(I love dragons!)

Kommentar von Thottbot

Gah. My post got deleted. Anyway, basically I'm a feral druid tanking with my raid comm through BWL, AQ40 and Naxx. I fill empty spots, or simply help tank. I also heal.

Don't listen to idiots who have no idea, play how you want to play, pray you find a raid comm as good as mine, who'll accept you regardless of build, and let you play that way.

PS: The raid comm is one of the top three on the server, we recently got server first Heigan kill, f.ex.

PPS: The weapon really isn't that good for ferals >.> take End Of Dreams :)

Kommentar von Thottbot

that thing looks like a lamp post...

Kommentar von Thottbot

Ret. spec paladin + crusader strike + might of menethil = WTFPWNT

Kommentar von Thottbot

the point is, that it is a kick ass wepon with kick ass dps and kick ass stats. (and it sorta looks bad ass as well) so stop ^&*!@ing over who it was made for! Cause if you can use a two handed mace yeah go for it i dont give a &*!@! mmk?

Kommentar von Thottbot

Here is the way I see it:
If you even have the opportunity to get this, warrior and pally allike, then you are in a guild that has successfully completed Naxx with the death of Kel'Thuzad. Game over. You win. Grats.

Having said that, it really doesnt matter anymore whether this mace will help "The Raid" or not. This mace is going to be used for PvP or of leveling in the BC where it will probably be replaced within month of play.

So it really doesnt matter who gets it.
Not at all.
gg.

Kommentar von Thottbot

even after BC this weapon is still damn good. Great stats and a beautiful glow.....and it's freakin huge! Who is it for? Seems to be a lot of anger when it comes to gear. It's simple. Nothing is "Your gear" if another class can use it. Simple enough? Both of yah are gonna use it for the same reasons....so why is your reason any better than mine? In reality it's just greed in most cases. I've said it so many times. I lose stuff too to classes that can make good use of it as well. Just cause you can use it the best does not mean I lose it by default...unless it's obvious. Never gonna get anywhere that way. If we go by that then only "Pure" classes will get the good stuff while the hybrids get nothing. *buzzing sound* Your guild will fall apart in no time. LOL! Just a thought for you folks in case you're still thinking such ignorant thoughts ^^. If I'm Ret and you're a war...I will roll for it too. Tough.

Had to get that out there. Anyway, Yeah, this would be great for a Ret pally. Lovely proc chance and it fits like a glove. Besides...maces are for pallies anyway :P

~M_D~ Peace out

Kommentar von Thottbot

dam u can use this thing at level 70 this thing must of kicked some crazy ass at level 60

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Anyways. Kel'Thuzad is a hard boss and u wont see many ppl with it.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Soon there will be some idiot guild who gives it to a paladin, and he will still be unable to kill anything. Be wise, give it to a warrior.
Insane mace btw

Kommentar von Allakhazam

PLEASE tell me this isnt a real weapon... i mean... think of the disgustingly huge crits epic'd warrs will be getting off of this! zomg. imba.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Through the new cross sever BG ive seen a orc warrior take out a warrior useing hand of rag teamed with a grand marshal warrior at 1 time. i tryed to join in the fight but he smacked me aside like a was a lvl 50 that got caut off gaurd by teremus (and i think we all know what thats like). Anyways yeah these 2 hella strong warriors got raped by a dude useing menth. I found this beast's relem and asked him his built. He said it was 35/16/0 so if u ask me when it comes to PvP this is as good as it comes for arms warriors.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

I would like to point out half of you idiot's posting here are dumbier then I ever believed humanity could create.

"LOLZ MAXE SPECZ SUKS SO LOLRETPALLY OR LOLSTRIKE PALLIES SOULD GET DIZ"

Let's get this straight just because mace specc sucks doesn't mean sh*t that a warrior shouldn't get this. It is the BEST weapon a warrior can get 2h or not and that idiot Thorn thinks "ZOMG SOZ BCUZ WARRZ R BETR AT RAID DPZ WIT FURYZ MNING TEY CANT TAKE DIZ WEPON SO WE GIEV IT 2 A RETLOLPALLY" Shut up you don't know nothing. You're probably thinking Ret pallies are good.

In the end
Warrior item. If you wanna argue i'm ready to bring up Theroycraft.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

just think i'll take this one.. :)

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Feral druid? This weapon has 40 AP and a couple crit, and thats all the benefit a feral druid gets from it.. there are (were, really) better level 60 items for druids.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Any weapon from Kelthuzad is badass.

For the drop %age: You can't expect it to be accurate as 3 guilds worldwide have killed this boss up to date - and each only once.
Taking into account that Kel has 14 (?) weaponry in stock and 2 drop per kill that would bring the %age down to a woopin 14% per weapon.

By the way: Any guild capable of taking out Kelthuzad can do Ragnaros with max. 15-20 people. And getting Kel down has been a buis, that has been quite an effort since patch 1.11 .

Kommentar von Allakhazam

if this is a warrior's weapon ill #$%^ my patns.... loladin ftw

Kommentar von Allakhazam

drood wpn:)

Kommentar von Allakhazam

random comment on that mob from blasted lands.. to the guy who posted after him... learn to read vid descriptions before you start insulting them ok? (happened in SW its unkillable without a quest item and its from BL)

Kommentar von Allakhazam

It benefits guilds the most if they give this to warriors, which will do insane high crits with abilities as: heroic strike and mortal strike. But white crits will be very high too. Just look at the max dmg. Shamans and paladins are healbots, they can get severance and weapons like that. Imo warriors have priority on this one.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

what do u think? is that shaman weapon or druid weapon? I think it's for shaman better, but me friends say that i'm stupid the shaman is healer and druid dmg dealer so it's for druid not for shaman....i don't know..

Kommentar von Allakhazam

On my server there is pug naxx lol we got down to 4 boss we are geared but it still a pug :P

Kommentar von Allakhazam

This is one level 60 item that will easily last all the way to 70. 95 dps on a weapon at this level is unbelievable, but being KT loot it is fully justified. :D

Kommentar von Allakhazam

any photo of this weapon?

is it only in TBC, or in "old" WoW too?

Edited, Jan 16th 2007 1:08pm by Gallubba

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Krogen, dude you owe me 1k in gold, lol.
I told you they would whine about who should get what weapon.
These people are very uptight about what item goes to what class.
Damn, you even have a Math Flame on what a Druid needs.
when you leave this game as our deal intended, every game will be the same.
even if you go back to FFXI i can tell you there will be more Drama about loot
for years to come.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/5681/motivator7330859ho4.jpg

the tr00

Edited, Sep 28th 2006 at 1:15pm PDT by Fmodig

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Anyone that says warriors do no damage is an idiot. Warriors regularly top damage charts if they aren't asked to tank.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

N N OO OO BBBBB SSS
N N N O O O O B B S
N N N O O O O BBBBB SSS THIS ITEM drops very hard in the most
N N N O O O O B B S difficult instance.It's a great weapon
N N OO OO BBBBB SSS which does lots of dmg but it drops
very hard at a very difficult boss. It's great 4 molten core and after you will have it,naxxramas will appear extremely easy.A perfect weapon for tanks espetialy warriors.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

mmm

Kommentar von Allakhazam

all you guys saying "dr00d weapon!" are probably not even in BWL yet or don't know how druids work. Warriors/shamans/pallies first. I know if I was doing Naxx with my druid and I somehow got this I'd feel like an ass. Now lets see why.

46 stam
20 str
2% crit.

Lets start off with cat form. Assuming you have HotW, Bonecrusher reward from DM gives roughly the same damage output as this weapon (10 str = 24 AP, 22 AP = ~1 crit). While this weapon DOES have an additional 46 sta on it come on, a blue quest reward from Dire Maul gives you same damage output in cat! 46 sta is not trivial by any means but if you're in cat, you're looking to do maximum burst damage most of the time.

Now bear. This mace has no armor. N'uff said. Warden staff > this in most cases. While armor gives you nothing against magic users I'd generally keep my 1k armor and 10 def from warden staff.

What about moonkin? If you're a moonkin with natural weapons.. I don't know what to say.

Druids need stats because we don't get any benefit from weapon damage. Where do we get stats? Good question. If you're doing Naxx, all of these weapons will be available to you:

From Naxx itself:
Atiesh, Greatstaff of the Guardian (druid version)
+28 Stamina
+28 Intellect
+27 Spirit
healing +300.
+420 Attack Power in Cat, Bear, and Dire Bear
Restores 11 mana every 5 sec to party members within 30 yards.

For a loss of 20 sta, and 2% crit you gain so so so much more. You gain a huge 372 AP in forms, +300 healing, 28 int, 27 spi, and 11 mana/5sec. This is simply every druid's wet dream. N'uff said.

The End of Dreams from Naxx : Das Ende aller Träume Intellect
+13 Stamina
dmg/healing +95.
+305 Attack Power in Cat, Bear, and Dire Bear
Restores 5 mana per 5 sec.

Loss of 33 stam and 2 crit you gain 257 AP, 13 intellect, +95 to dmg/healing, and 5 mana/5sec. 257 AP. On a one hander. N'uff said. You can get your crit and sta from somewhere else.

Now lets go alllll the way back to AQ20 which you can almost PuG.

Mace of Unending Life: Streitkolben des endlosen Lebens Strength
+7 Agility
+11 Intellect
+10 Stamina
dmg/healing +40.
+140 Attack Power in Cat, Bear, and Dire Bear

For a loss of 38 sta, and 1.65% crit you gain 120.6 AP, 11 int, +40 dmg/healing. This one handed mace from a 20 man gives you a much higher damage output than Might of Menethil with the added bonus of better heals, better nukes (moonfire spam!), and more int with the loss of some survivability.

So.
Stop calling "dr00d loot" on anything with sta/str on it.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5935579671298682411&q=warrior+pvp&hl=en

MoM In Gnome Hand ! :O

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Shaman weapon! omfg

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Wow, this whole post blew the hell up.
I’m sorry guys, but the DKP will settle this and there will be better drops in BC.
This would have been nice to have on my war or pally.
But it wouldn’t be worth it if your guild Cant down Kel’Thuzad.
Who ever wants this bad enough will spend there DKP for it, so wouldn’t matter who gets it.
Have fun all :), and good luck.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

I once heard a quote that I think fits this thread pretty well.

"Heads out of asses when you talk people, you spew less *!@# that way."

Kommentar von Allakhazam

I see a few warriors wanting this only for the massive top end dmg and the 95.3 DPS. I also see Paladins and Shamans Drooling over it. All Paladins and Shamans should alteast try for a full set of tier 2.5 to use with this weapon.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Before I saw the new talents, spells, and what not from BC, I thought it would be an even roll between warriors and pallies. Mainly cuz, as stated before, in raids, fury warriors pwn face over arms for dps. While it is true that warriors do hecka more dmg with this than a pally would, ret pallies can use it in pve when there is more than enough healing (ex. patchwerk, gluth).

With BC in mind, I think it should go to a pally first. With the new talents and crusader strike coming back, pallies will be given a dps role in raids. Their highest dps output weapon would undoubtedly be a 2h. With warriors, it will still be dual wield.

Edited, Nov 24th 2006 12:31am by Arttemistwo

Kommentar von Allakhazam

omFg this mace is made for every1 that can equip 2h mace ...
so Hunter , Warrior , Palladin and Druid can use it >.<
here is the pic https://www.wowhead.com/classic/ss=4802

Edited, Feb 13th 2007 2:50pm by aleksandarbn

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Working on the video... hes a little shy though ;)

Kommentar von Allakhazam

i wonder how much damage a lvl 70 warrior (in the expansion) in Tier3 would hit for with this wep

Kommentar von Allakhazam

I haven't seen one mention of Storm Strike, the enhancement Shaman's best friend. The only problem is that is if you want to be a dps shaman you will never get this weapon. Endgame raids nerf all hybrid classes and lock them into retarded boring backup healing, buffing, mana regen rolls. Raid gear even further emphasizes this. I love WOW, but the engame raids are really lame for all except guild leaders, tanks, mages and warlocks. I'd love this weapon for my 60 Shammy, but the grind for the Unstoppable force will actually be fun unlike doing a million raids to be allowed/able to tag along for a AQ40 run. Watching Rag go down once was more than enough excitement for me in one night.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

"gief pic of %^&*!@# wearing that plz"
ITS A MACE...GG

Kommentar von Allakhazam

No druid should neeed to roll on this with The End of Dreams on the table.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

I would love to see an enhancement shaman with this.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Why does it look like an axe when it says "mace" on the item description? ....

Kommentar von Allakhazam

i dont think any1 in th egame even with this wep could kill this guy http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1142923824558016879&q=wow+pvp+videos&hl=en

Kommentar von Allakhazam

ReT sPeC lOlAdIn1!11

Kommentar von Allakhazam

porco dio

Kommentar von Allakhazam

well for me this seems to be way too good weapon to actually drop with that high drop %.

i mean compare that to ragnaros hammer,its like months of work to get it but this? kill 1-2 times that guy and you got it.

lets compare the stats:

Ragnaros menethil
dmg:223-327 dmg:289-435
speed:3.7 speed:3.8
dps:80.4 dps:95.3
+12str +20str
+12sta +46sta
+30 fire resistance

5 fire dmg to attackers +2% crit chance
chance on hit to hurl
273-333fire dmg and 75 fire
dmg on 10second.

it takes months to build the hammer needed for the ragnaros,not to mention all the runs to mc to get the item to make it to ragnaros.

when menethil,run the instance once or twice and you got it if the drop % is reliable,not to mention its way better weapon than ragnaros.

not sure how hard the instance is to get that though but still 80% is like way too high drop % for the weapon in my opinion in compared to how good it is.

with shaman and landed WF thats like 1hit K.O to any class.

i got atm weapon dmg 88-132 and i allready do avg 400-500 WF hits and record is 883 dmg in SM (im 36 shaman without enchants on the weapon,enchant talent tree dmg based). think then with menethil, max WF lvl. gotta say that it will hurt to take hit from it when wf lands ;)

Kommentar von Allakhazam

For those who dont know - THIS is the old weapon of Arthas. Yeah, those he dropped^^ next step- Frostmourne lol

Best warrior/shaman pvp weapon before BC, pallys put ur heands down u plate healers lol in BG pala never killed my shaman, he just hit, hit, hit,& shield+heal, until mana finish then pala is dead

Kommentar von Allakhazam

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5935579671298682411&q=warrior+pvp&hl=en

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Man I would love to see the output in damage I would be achieving with my Shaman. (Windfury for the win!)

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Omg pwns all two handed for now

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Sorry all, but this is a Feral Druid Kill All Mace!
If you have a very good Guild and can put this guy on farming
runs, then everyone should have one soon.
But it looks like DKP will decide who wants it more.

Sorry, lol.
I have been corrected

Edited, Sep 21st 2006 at 11:56am EDT by krogenone

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Ok, sounds to me like we have a Pally, Shaman hater.
A war would be better off with two handed axes or swords, it would be better for them anyway.
Paladins and Shamans should be able to get this first, they need the extra damage.
Now, there is going to be better in the expansion for wars to come, so quit whining about the loot.
Let the Guilds DKP handle the out come of this Item.
If someone wants this bad enough they can use DKP for it, not like there will be a PUG for Naxx.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Dropped on Ner'zhul. Congrats LA on more 1337 gear.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

omg i own all you god damn nubs http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-5935579671298682411&

Edited, Oct 15th 2006 at 12:13am PDT by blueoctobers

Kommentar von Allakhazam

#$%^ING WARRIOR WEPON PLAIN AND SIMPLE PEOPLE IM NOT A WARRIOR IMA ROGUE BUT IM NOT A @#$%ING IDIOT.THIS IS WARRIOR ONLY UNTILL EVERY SINGLE DPS WARRIOR IN THE ENTIRE GUILD HAS ONE EVEN IF THAT DPS WARRIOR IS A #$%^ING APP.DRUIDS SHOULD NEVER EVER HAVE THIS WEP BECAUSE ITS POS FOR THEM AND DRUIDS SUCK AT PVP ANYWHO.SHAMANS DONT DPS IDC WHAT THEY SAY IV NEVER SEEN A DPS SHAMAN IN MY LIFE.AND PALLIDANS WILL STILL SUCK IN PVP EVEN WITH THIS BEAST OF A WEPON SO IT DOESNT MAKE A DIFFERENCE.GIVE A WARRIOR THIS WEPON FOR THE LOVE OF GOD.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

People dont understand the benefits of a paladin on melee. What you do is have 2 holy paladins judge light and wisdom on the target then have a ret paladin judge crusader. That ret paladin then stays on melee and uses crusader strike to keep all 3 judgements refreshed. So with one good paladin on melee you get extra mana for casters, extra healing for melee, and if the paladin has all talent improvements to seal of the crusader than all melee get +3% to crit chance on that target. It isn't a question of dps output.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Schmitty, we are expecting a fraps asap where you slam some mages face in, ok?

Kommentar von Allakhazam

im expecting to see 1 hit, white damage kills on mages with this

Kommentar von Allakhazam

ok im sorry but all this crap "warrior wep" "pally wep" "shammy wep" jeeze...
Ok, i can understand warrior weapon claims because, of course, it has FORTY SIX str... fantastic wep.
as for a pally wep, ok... whatever pally would bid DKP over a warrior on this needs to jizz on a bicuit and eat it... pallies are there for healing/buffing/backing up.
paladins cant dps, not even with a 150 dps wep with 1.1 delay... i mean, you are a PALADIN. Learn your class.
Shaman wep, i can also understand. with windfury wep/totem, this is insanely fast, and an awesome pvp wep.
Therefore, pallies need to learn your place. get an Aurastone Hammer and heal and buff... being the GM of a guild, i would not give this wep to a paladin over a warrior even if he payed me 2k gold... i would say shaman, since most warrs on my server are tanks, and if you want a good pvp wep, do AB for a week straight, get rank 14, and get the rank 14 mace... being an alli, i still agree that it is a shaman wep, and 50% of the time a warrior wep. pallies, go get a +intel mace because you dont need str... even with 2000 str, you couldnt out-damage a level 19 twink rogue.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

No matter how bad Macespecialization may be, this is DEFINITELY a warrior weapon.
Seeing how a paladin does 450ish noncrit whitedmg is a pain in the arse.
Warriors are way better of using this and please remember that Macespecialization is becoming quite viable in the explansion, no complaints there: First warriors, Low-DPSing Shamans/Palas/Druids second.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

On a pure PvP spec warrior, this would be ownage, on a pally.... not so much. As a pally myself, i find that weapons with a speed over 3.00 are way too slow seeing that we dont have any instant strikes. So paladins/shammys get second dibs and if i ever saw a druid with this i'd cry.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Just a wild guess, non of you geting your panties in a knot over what class should have prio on this is nowhere close to Kel'Thuzad? Perhaps you haven't even sat foot in Naxxramas?

Anyway, keep up the awesome job. Makes a lovely reading when you'r bored!

Kommentar von Allakhazam

this would be great for shaman. with windfury i could see this getting over 7k with a triple crit. of course warriors first, but horde dont have paladins.. yet. so should prolly got to shaman if warriors pass

ps. to all the people that post "hunter weapon" on the maces need to be shot and fall off a cliff..

thanks :)

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Jerrytylke , since u say u have killed kelthuzad 3 times, please tell me, which mobs do you kill first in the encounter phase 1?

Kommentar von Allakhazam

I use this on my feral druid. With all my current gear, I have over 140 dps. I still have a few items left on the list

With a high ravage crit you can 1 hit kill some people

Kommentar von Allakhazam

nice weapon, but like 99.999% of everyone that wants one, i wont ever get one
8(

Kommentar von Allakhazam

If you think that a ret paladin wont do just as well or better with this weapon than a warrior, you are sorely mistaken.

3.8 speed weapon with 400+ damage is geared towards arms. However sinse mace spec is so poor compared to the other specs, a warrior is essentually losing 5 talent point speccing maces.

Fury this is still a great DPS weapon, but slower speeds and low attack power make other weapons like Untames or Ashkandi effect the Bloodthirst more.

Paladin? Don't have to worry about spec, +5 maces from human racial... Huge raw damage for Seal of Command procs which ignore armor. +2% crit which effects your seal of command crits as well...

Seems to me just as feasable as a DPS weapon for Ret paladins as warriors.

This is a greed item IMHO, its noit a tanking item for wars, its not a dagger for rogues, its not a +healing item for paladins/druids... Greed this.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

I could see this helping a feral druid a lot. The stats help out in cat and bear forms.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

http://www.worldofraids.com/v2/size.php?url=img/naxxramas/mightofmenethil.jpg&max=600

omgomg! look at teh blue glow thingie! that looks like lightning! lightning=shaman prio! Just look at 10 storms!

Seriously tho, nice mace :o
Hope we get that bloody eye down soon in aq40 so we can start goin naxx =)

Kommentar von Allakhazam

warriors do more dmg in pve with 2x 60+ dps 1h's (crul sho'rukh or better in MH) than weilding a 2h'er! even such a fine one as might of menethil
in naxxra and instances to come in TBC paladins will be required to occasionally switch to damage (see loatheb fight for example).
Now what makes this weapon an excellent paladin weapon (i cannot comment on shamans) is that it will boost this damage so much even wearing healing gear.

So please stop crying about how this is a warrior weapon, because its not!
its a pvp weapon first and foremost and there is no preference on who should get it most simply because its obtained via pve
but if you wanna reason over pve, warriors do more dmg with fury build and nefi+ 1h's
so please cut the sh... and stop drooling over pala loot ¬_¬

;P

PS: i got both warr and pala!

Kommentar von Allakhazam

imba weap! I have a rank 14 warrior and im a DPS war in my guild... its stupid saying warriors only can tank! im on top of the dps meeter alot! this thingy should be axe insted of mace though^^ and btw lol @ the think about a warrior with this and Tier 3 for dps, guy^^

Kommentar von Allakhazam

It is end game weapon so if you manage to kill Kell there is nothing beyond in pve and no more purpose for more dps, right? So thise wpn would be for any class, it would be like a pvp toy.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

I thought you were full of it, but you're right.
1k of gold it is, but there right, I cant see this going to a Druid.
This would be a kill Pally weapon and or Shammy.
But its all good.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

I think not, I wouldn’t waist 5 points on mace specialization.
Also a Reto Paladin would use this better than you think.
Hell a Reckoning Pally with this will one shot a heavy Plate war, make a Paladin and see what they can do.
And besides, after the expiation comes out it looks like wars are going to be walking with shields again.
Don’t be greedy, if you think you deserve one then be an ID10T and pull this out on a raid, lol.
You know you wont get a chance to use it like you think.
25man raids for 40 man instances.
This will be a solo and a 5man fun run weapon. Now I have a war and when I first seen this weapon, I wanted it. But after looking at the +damage
I would get from it; I'm just starting to think wars would be better off
with a Polearm or Axe for +crit's. Flame all you want but think of your
guild before yourself. And again let the guild and DKP Decide the home for this Mace.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Considering PVP classes and theyr damage/surviverability i won't argue with any class able to weild this...

The weapon is uppon a build choice. I realy would like to see an arms warrior against a retribution paladin both equiped with this weapon in epic PVP sets.

Outcome would be like this:
IF the paladin doesn't fail on repentance and hammer of justice, the warrior is dead in 43 seconds! In this time the warrior won't be able to do anything for 22 seconds (16 sec active stuns + 6 sec repentance). Furthermore the paladin's bubble will hold warrior out of damage for further 12 seconds. That makes 34 seconds where a paladin can't be damaged and still can (and will) do damage to the enemy. With judgements cooldown 8 seconds the warriror will be judged 5 times and hit (pure speculation) 12 times (SoC more then 40% proc rate makes this 20 hits)....<.<
The total damage output (average) would be somewhere arround 7.350 HP in 43 seconds.
So if a warriror can't down the paladin inside 9 seconds from the fight beginning, the warrior is dead.

It's just a conclusion and yes, a warrior can do more damage with this nasty weapon.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

I cant tell you who i am, but i have infact killed kel'thuzad 3 times now.

This is a warrior weapon. But the majority of naxx warriors (that auccually can top dps) perfer DW fury.

Yes its true pallys can dps, but not quite at the same level as Warriors, rouges, hunters, mages, warlocks, etc...

No feral druid would touch this, because we ALL know feral tank > feral dps.

Well shammans i dunno but as far as ive seen in my pvp experience windfury shammans=ftl (except a few that are super pimps)

Pallys would probably get this, but not because they want it but because the warriors dont want it. Pallidins in our guild are SMART and know there roles as endgame healers.

But really if you havent taken in the experience of naxx raiding dont bother posting here. Your probably 3 years old or mentally disfunctional if you feel the need to aurgue with people you dont know on fourms.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Is this supposed to be Arthas' old hammer before he switched to Frostmourne?
It doesn't look the same though

Kommentar von Allakhazam

speechless.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

ohh yeah baby Arthase's weapon is the bomb for those how don't know this used to be Arthase's weapon from when he used to be a pally,

Kommentar von Allakhazam

H O L Y S H I T !

i wonder that this weapon not got nerfed O_o
it has the same stats as on the PTR

imagine a shaman with wf and some crits...
warrior-one-hit-weapon for a shaman

Edited, Sep 10th 2006 at 8:05am EDT by JRW

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Best mortal strike weapon for pvp? Me thinks so.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

how should a t3 warrior deal damage with this? t3=def set? you don't really know much about warrior, eh?

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Hmm, what does this shard to?

Kommentar von Allakhazam

FFS...
can it accually be possible for ANYONE with an normal ammount of intelligence to even THINK about giving this to anything but a dps warrior, seriously.

this weapon is a damange weapon, and as for those other classes that can use it
Druids, Shamans and Paladins, you must be 110% completely wasted to think this will do you any good you have to think this way:
who gets the most need of it?
WARRIORS. they do @#$%loads.
paladins = healers, that heals and blesses, they aint suited for dmg AT ALL
shamans = something in the middle, not really on them since i dont know theyr melee dmg, but im shure its way lower then a warrior so shut up.
druids = dont even speak. go and die a gruesome dead if your feral in a guild that kills this dude. die, accually die.

just omg, seriously, get off it, if i ever ever ever ever see a paladin or something like that, youll get poked in your ass with a benediction i hold.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

ROFL! You say warriors deal no damage? Look at this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrnzhjNtPrg

That warrior uses:
Großschwert des Obersten Kriegsfürsten what he would do with this beauty! And moreover, when BC comes out, warriors will have an ability called: "Endless Rage", witch does that warriors can do as many attacks as they can within 10 sec, without loosing rage pts.

With other words: Might of Menethil PWNS!

((It is good with Shaman WF + Might of Menethil aswell =) ))

Kommentar von Allakhazam

All guilds that can down Kel'Thuzad, obviously can down The Four Horsemen, which means that all warriors have a chance to get Ashbringer, which means a legendary two-hander in the expansion. By using that you can determine, that Paladins can have the chance, and let me repeat, CHANCE, to get Might of Menethil because a Lvl. 70 legendary (assumed) will most definitely out do a Lvl. 60 Epic. As a paladin however, I would much rather go for Hammer of the Twisting Nethers, and at least the first time that Might of Menethil drops pass and give the Warriors a chance before the next time. Hell I'd take it even if I was the very last to get it, unless I had something better, which can be doubted very much.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Got this on my druid, so *!@#in awsome!

Kommentar von Allakhazam

hunter weapon

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Stats aside, Menethil family name is often associated with Paladins. Not to say this is a Paladin weapon, but Blizzard had them in mind when naming this item.

Not sure how many arms warriors spec for maces though.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Even with TBC in mind, loot priority for what is obviously a PvP toy should be based on DKP alone. Saying a Paladin should get this over a Warrior is stupid. They're both on equal ground when it comes to MoM. You shouldn't even be regarding this as a future raiding weapon, it'll be replaced when you're 70 by raid drops, crafted weapons, or pvp rewards.

As for PvE Roles, some are being changed, but Paladins still wont be taken into raids for their DPS. There will most likely be a Feral Druid and a couple Enhancement Shamans for melee groups, but Retribution Paladins still don't offer anything usefull for raids.

Paladins should just be happy that they'll be able to rape faces in PvP when TBC comes out, and lord it over the pvp-gimped warriors.

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http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-6466291676668091025&q=Avenging+Wrath

enjoy :)

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Reckoning pally + this=one shotting prot warriors

WF shammy + this=one shotting prot warrios

and we all know how much a warrior could do with this, so I wont bother.

Let the DKP/guild decide how these will be passed out. Guilds downing Kel probably have all their pallys/shammys/warrs using Dark edge of insanity or ashkandi or hands of rag in all the BGs and if I had loot like that I wouldnt mind seeing this go to a druid at all, because Id still pwn face with whatever crazy weapon I had.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

This is all velly funny. BRING OUT THE CALCULATOR AHEHEA

You all fail irl

Kommentar von Allakhazam

paladins get as much right of warrior for this weapon so stfu if u disagree cause i dont give a @$*&. since RET paladins will get Crusader Strike in BC Paladins have as much right to this as a warrior GET OVER IT if not QUIT THE GAME

Kommentar von Allakhazam

gief pic of *!@#$%^ wearing that plz

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Beast in the hands of a warrior

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Is this Arthas' weapon from his paladin days?
I just played through WC3 again and can't recall hearing Might of Menethil anywhere there.. Neither does Arthas has anything to do with Menethil Bay as far as I know.
His hammer has a more rectangular model as well, but I guess that doesn't matter.
As far as I remember he also abandoned his hammer in the ice of Northrend when picking up Frostmourne, so how did this get to Kel'thuzad o.O

Either way! I hope we get to see Frostmourne once!

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Sells to vendor for 32g omgomgomg ! not gonna shard this then!

Kommentar von Allakhazam

weapon skin : http://www.worldofraids.com/v2/?page=viewitem&idd=39

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SHAMAN WEPON. I KAN 1 H1T RAGNAROS WIT THIS

YOR WTFOWNAGE WINDFURY HITS RAGGI FOR LIEK;
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POONAGE

Kommentar von Njolnir

Just got this weapon tonight, what an absolute beast of a hammer

Kommentar von HeglamoreBiggles

I had/have this weapon on my Classic-Era paladin. I didn't get it by playing ret in Naxxramas; I got it by owning every horde on my server, and coming to the rescue of anybody in my guild, for 2 years, by being -the- PvP guy everyone could count on regardless of the hour and the place. My record crit was 2788 physical on a boss in ZG while buffed to the max. Caused over 5500 damage in a 1 second period WITHOUT reckoning.

I easily one-shot many prot-warriors with reckoning bombs while they were waiting for their buffs in Booty Bay. I played Holy in Raid; not retribution.

When you're the guy the Horde hates so much that they will abandon your guild's MT (while he's being corpse-camped) to try to chase you-- that's when you deserve the 2-handers. Doesn't matter your class.

I had full AQ40 gear on my ret; on US Bigglesworth. The only 2 people who could regularly beat me in duels were:
- Sanecore, Dwarf Priest (Full naxx gear Disc-Priest.)
- Rentesh, Night-Elf Rogue. (Full naxx gear, sub, claw of the frost-wyrm off-hand, gresil dawn of ruin main)

I literally would literally wear the following gear while running around the world PvPing: (Gear below features my 1-hander; Deathbringer + Lifesteal Enchant. Might of Menethil had +25 Agility on it.)
https://www.wowhead.com/classic/gear-planner/paladin/human/AjwNVPBTIB8FIEBRIgMVH4FTi15gAljMg1OPcyiFU41OOQZKwYdTjl5giFOMTjSJU9FOK4pUX04sC1LQDEuwDUuPDloHj1TOYf6QQqxOQJFTFTV5EleC

Funny thing? The Scrolls of Blinding Light -stack- with the Eye of the Dead; meaning you can use both at once - giving a ret paladin a full heal holy light in a single cast. (Power healing like a holy paladin) - Two people in two casts; meaning you can top off an entire party in the time both are active while wearing your full retribution gear.

Classic WoW Scrap-book and screenshots for Heglamore of Bigglesworth US: https://imgur.com/a/NHdxAfV

My guild gave me our first Ashkandi. Our first Might of Menethil. Our first AQ40 C'thun chestplate. (I had the rep, and nobody else in the guild did -- and I bought all the idols/scarabs off the AH for thousands of gold) -- because I proved to people that I could be counted on and that the Ashkandi and the 5/5 Avengers would be there at 4:00 AM to rescue them from our server's 65% Horde population (Only 35% Alliance).

Do you want to be the king? Don't have a job. Play harder than everyone else believes is even possible for a full 2 years. And both appreciate AND practice ALL aspects of your class, including healing and do what your guild needs so often that you're the first person they come to. When they don't need you? Go around improving relations with other guilds. Help non-guildies; make them envy your guild's prestiege and power, and friendliness, and make them wish they had that kind of behavior in their own guild. I healed in raids unless we had too many healers on a given night - which only happened in ZG/AQ. Ret only works in Classic WoW when it's not about ego. It's about a lack of ego. A lack of the self. It's about literally being everyone's hero. It becomes your 80-hour per week job.

If the horde shows up to purge your main-tanks buffs? It's your job to look through public discord logs, find out who it is... and to show up and delete those guys main-tanks with a reckoning bomb and a squad of rogues so they know that $%^&ing with your guild comes with personal accountability.

Classic WoW and the efforts of the average guild cannot support a PvE ret paladin. You simply won't make it to getting Might of Menethil in an average guild while playing Ret as Ret. Play Holy; respec twice and thrice per week to win the game. Be deserving of both. Be the guy who donated over half the Arcanite to guild's first Thunderfury.

Is it worth it? No. Probably not. But I am one of a very select group of people to possess and now have unlimited access to this weapon if I want to go around and own people on the Classic Era realms.

Would I trade it for anything else I've ever done? No. I won at World of Warcraft, and collected gear for class-spec others wished didn't exist. The proudest moment of my WoW Career was when the main tank-- who had just received the Carapace off C'thun (he was on the loot council) -- without even telling me it was happening... walked over to me, and handed me the chest-plate; because I had the full rep required from the 10-hour war, and he didn't. The Might of Menethil is a cap-stone; but not the foundation of a well-played Classic Career.

You won the game and people's respect long before you get Might of Menethil. It is grotesquely unbalanced. I was able to easily solo Hederine Slayers with an Ashkandi Greatsword of the Brotherhood -- but this? Even a Paladin is an unstoppable, ridiculous killing machine capable of 2 vs 20 PvP with your rogue buddy when you have this thing; it's kinda #$%^&*ed when you begin critting for 2200 physical against warriors and your holy damage goes higher because everyone's over 50% armor that late in the game. ( Rentesh and I beatin' people's butts with indifference in Winterspring: https://imgur.com/LCjcgZP - I had MOM/Deathbringer-Blessed Quiraji Bulwark.. he had Gressil and off-hand Claw of the Frostwyrm, and we knew each other's moves like brothers. ) -- you just go around globaling people wearing BWL and AQ gear. >:)

Kommentar von effyouzion

One of the three best two-handed weapons in Classic WoW, along with Dunkle Schneide des Irrsinns and Verderbter Aschenbringer.

Dark Edge is comparable to Might of Menethil on a warrior. The proc on Dark Edge acts as an equivalent to mace specialization, while Dark Edge also benefits from axe specialization. The end result is that Dark Edge crits more often, while MoM has more raw damage.

Ashbringer has the most burst damage of the three thanks to its proc and sword specialization, but the extra damage comes at the cost of -25 stamina. Given the large stamina values on the other two weapons, this is a swing in 500-670 health, which is easily 10% (or more!) of your unbuffed health pool in aggressive gear.

In PvE, Dark Edge is the best by default, because two-handers are only truly viable on horde side (thanks to Windfury Totem) and only Orcs get two-handed axe skill.

As a warrior, you would be happy with any of these three weapons!

Kommentar von playern

Did this mace exist back in 2005/2006? In the original version?

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