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Kommentar von Dragonfyr

This is a VERY Rare Drop! It dropped once on a normal farm of MC ( Molten Core ) And i was over the moon when i saw it in the Raid chat! :D

It's really good to make for a hunters bow or gun, Not really that much use for any other class. Unless you have the gold for the mats, or the time to farm them. The mats are very expensive and hard to come by. But i would seriously recomend that every hunter has this scope attached to a DECENT ( Over lvl 55+ ) weapon!

The Average price of this scope can vary from 400g - 600g, Some people might even charge more. And it will cost on average for the mats around 300g - 350g to make one.

Kommentar von 7024

Unless you are low on +hit gear this scope is pretty much not worth it (infact it would be cheaper to get you more +hit gear then to make this scope). Sniper scope is far more feasible to have.

Kommentar von amita

I have this on my xbow and my bow, It works great since before I use to miss 4x in BWL. Besides that it's expensive to make.

Kommentar von Thottbot

Golemagg in MC. Dropped tonight (06-27-06) on Twisting Nether server... no posts on here, and didn't say where it dropped.. so thought I'd say.

Kommentar von Thottbot

This is going to cost over 350g on Frostmane for mats. This is for your last weapon.

Kommentar von Thottbot

Dropped for me this weekend from Baron Geddon - being raid engineer, I got it (and only 5dkp, so not really breaking the dkp bank either).

Crazy materials, really. The only real reason you'd use this is to show off I guess. +3% might be nice, but is it really worth all those materials?

Maybe with some of the very VERY high-end ranged weapons... but not until.

Kommentar von Thottbot

Yeah, I'm trying to understand if a +3% increase in hit is even that great, I mean.... I assuming hunters would be the most likely to use this item, but yeah... I guess it's better than +7 damage. >< How much do you guys miss...

Kommentar von Thottbot

I think its better then the 7 dmg cause ...you know its just 7 :P dosent matter THAT much, but with 3% hit you cannot practicaly miss a thing, maybe once a year but still its very good. And to think when you miss youre aimed shot -.- thats soo annoying. For the mats....eh...you rly need a good epic ranged weapon and its worth it.

Kommentar von Thottbot

Ok, i've seen some real mathmatics on this issue. Can +7dmg scope at 3G be better or worse then a +3 hit at around 400G be worth it. I mean i'm about to put the biznicks one on my gun, but can anyone give me a reason why i shouldn't (besides the costs of the cores ((we run MC cores are nothing to us)), can you prove either way on eiher scope for truth. Come on work out the math skills and make everyone understand it. If were wasting our time on these stupid scopes, let everyone know. Here's your chance to be a hero.

Mychael NE Hunter
Garona
Bad Mojo Guild

Kommentar von Thottbot

Well, this schematic isn't new to MC or World of Warcraft. It was existant from the very release of the game, but then removed by the developers, because the +hit was affecting melee attacks too, what never was intended by the devs. Now that it's back, i wonder whether they changed something with it or found it to be fine.

Some confirmed-data-based answers would be fine.

Kommentar von Thottbot

more accurate calculation than the one shown above is if you take into account the hunters special abilities. a hunter doing the aim-multi-cycle will have

avgdps=(basedps+aim+multi)/time

each term must take into account modifiers such as crit%, speedfactors, +dmg and talents.

basedps = (weapondmg+bonusdmg+attackpower/14)*speedfactor*(1+crit%*Mortalshot)

bonusdmg = ammobonus+scopebonus

ammobonus can be for instance +13dps while scopebonus is (7/weaponspeed) dps (it says it adds damage not damage pr second like the ammo does).

aimshot and multishot have similar but a tidbit more complicated formulas.

the point is, you have to take account of the bonusdmg from the scope in all formulas, and they get modified and factorized for crits and wpnspeeds.

the final result will have to be modified by your chance to miss/hit which will diminish the overall damage.

running a couple examples with around 1300 ap and 20% crit gives result with %hit scope ~6dps above the sniper scope.

higher ap and crit makes %hit even more important.

the weaponspeed also effects the result, but the overall result is that the %hit scope will give a small benefit. if it's worth it or not depends on how rich you are and also on whether or not you have max hit% from other gear. (some say 9% hit is enough for both pve and pvp, although i have no clue where that number is coming from).

Kommentar von Thottbot

one good use for this scope on hunters is to help with tranqing bosses. having + to hit helpscus a missed tranq even for a second can cause a tank to die, so most high end guilds try to have at least +8 to hit on hunters that tranq, so this scope is awesome when combined with strikers mark or crossbow of smiting (giving +4 to hit all together)

Kommentar von Thottbot

If you're taking your first steps into raiding here's my theory based on experience, as a Hunter :-

Assume you're at lvl 60 with no racial bonus and 300 weapon skill (be it bow, crossbow or gun) you have a 95% chance to hit a lvl 60 mob, not including surefooted talents from the survival tree.
It's more than possible to achieve the extra 5% needed to make this 100% hit rate through the survival talents and doing a few Dire Maul tribute runs for 2 tarnished elven rings (1% hit chance each). Hunters need a higher hit % chance than that however to ensure their tranq shot hits Magmadar every time (and also just handy in general for boss fights). It is indeed 9% needed as the miss chance increases by 1.2% per level above 60 (i forget where that comes from tbh..) and Magmadar is set at lvl 63 (3x1.2 =3.6, 3.6+5=8.6 so safer to be at 9%).

It's possible to get 9% even if you've just started doing ZG/AQ20 as if you manage to get a Zulian Tigerhide Cloak that gives 1%, Fahrad's Reloading Repeater from The Perfect Poison quest gives another 1% and if you have 3 out of 4 pieces of the Black Dragonscale set (which you would ideally be using in MC for the first steps in there) that gives you another 1% to hit. That leaves you another 1% to aim for and I'm just going by what I have personally been equipped with so far. I intend to get the zandalar predators belt from the ZG primal hakkari item hand in quest as soon as I'm honored which adds the final % needed for me :-)

So at the end of the day, this scope is not really needed if you've equipped yourself similarly to how I have so far. I have no idea what kind of hit % chance there is on the rest of the tier1/2 gear and items that complement those sets, as I've only really just started MC with my guild, so I can't comment on the �Hardcore Raiding� aspect (BWL, AQ40 Naxx).. I wouldn't consider this scope just yet anyways. And it's all just my opinion, hoping it may help some of you out there :-)

Kommentar von Thottbot

Magmadar can drop it too.

Kommentar von Thottbot

Just dropped off luci on Lightninghoof, horde side.

Kommentar von Thottbot

Dropped from Garr yesterday.

I'm on the Maelstrom server, horde side. Whisper me if you have the mats and want it made.
/Aleqguac

Kommentar von Thottbot

It looks like the mats alone put this thing at about 300g. Send Tirah an in game mail if your interested.

Anyone know what this should sell for (above and beyond the mats cost).

Kommentar von Thottbot

Does the +hit work for rogues melee?

Kommentar von Thottbot

Where I may be shooting some mobs that are greater than three over my level. The mats aren't too bad. 50g for cores now and 20g for arcanite bars. Had the DI and earth.

Kommentar von Thottbot

I can make this on Stormreaver EU, Horde side.
Send ingame mail or whisper to Zagroth (or my alt named Grokdar).

Kommentar von Thottbot

can u make this anywhere or does it have to be at dark anvil?

Kommentar von Allakhazam

dropped off luci for me tonight. only one on server (alliance) with it. one horde has it on our server.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

If you want this scope made on Shattered Hand (Alliance) message Venkman or Arutha. Only one able to make it on the server.

Horde, I'm sure something can be worked out.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Rokea ravencrest alliance
can craft it:P just send me

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Well it is returning in 1.10 but acording to the patchnotes its getting a nerf to the way it prolly was designed. No more +hit to melée as it is now. It will only work on ranged attacks='( but all hunters cheer to Blizz now you hear and maybe they will goodhearted enough to let out the warrior nerf...^^

Kommentar von Allakhazam

My mate can make these on Drak'thul , if you are interested whisper Fearbringer in game, and prepare some gold for my mate : )

Kommentar von Allakhazam

random mc boss drop, dropped off baron geddon for us.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Aye aye, dropping in MC in 1.10. :)

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Considering how many months this item simply didn't exist, what's the real drop rate?

Kommentar von Allakhazam

ironically, this comes from MC

magmadar to be precise.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Dropped for Helios tonight of Golemagg (3April 23:31)

Hellscream - Stones (Alliance)

attach on a bow/gun to increase the chane to hit with range by 3%

Edited, Mon Apr 3 16:37:16 2006

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Warluck > Stones

Kommentar von Allakhazam

ironically, this comes from MC

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Any idea on the mats needed?

Kommentar von Allakhazam

This item is coming back in 1.10...check it out!

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Just dropped for Praeses Dignitas on the Terenas server-alliance side!

Kommentar von Allakhazam

About time :) blizz did remove this patten for a long time but now its back and fixed
It is no longer +3% to hit, its now +3% to ranged hit

Kommentar von Allakhazam

dropped off luci for me tonight. only one on server (alliance) with it. one horde has it on our server.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

If anyone can make this on Stonemaul-Horde plz post.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

probably an 0.5% droprate like all the other plans from MC

Kommentar von Allakhazam

I've had this schematic horde side since right after they patched it in.

AFAIK there are 4 people on SH with this schematic, 3 on alliance.

Contact me as Geist if you need one made Horde side.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

I am the first with this schematic.
Server = HAKKAR
Name = NOHEAL
Faction = Horde
E-Mail & MSN = asnfire2k@hotmail.com
(feel free to contact me if you need want make)

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Got the mats, if anyone from Sargeras has the plans pst to Mikej

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Anyone seen one of these drop recently?

H

Kommentar von Allakhazam

good MC scope.

where did it come from?

Kommentar von Allakhazam

I confirm, it dropped for my guild in MC yesterday from Golemagg.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Has had recent reports on this dropping. Maybe they did not remove it from the game?

Kommentar von Allakhazam

I have this schematic.
Server = Shattered Hand
Name = Manix
Faction = Alliance
E-Mail & MSN = shockcore@msn.com

Get in touch with me if you need one crafted.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

has anyone seen this drop any time recently? no recorded drops leads me to believe it may have been removed from the game, which makes me sad.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

any one that can make this scope on shatterd hand (alliance)?

Kommentar von Allakhazam

...the schematic, that is. Whoever learned it, like myself, can still craft those.
Orc Hunter Snob at Gurubashi, PM me if yer interested. Or MSN me rafael.agp@globo.com if yer Alliance.

Kommentar von Novat

Has anyone seen this yet?

Kommentar von Nightmareqts

Can anyone confirmed the existanse of this pattern in P1 ?

Kommentar von Vorishgo

Recipe (BoP) started to drop in MC with the release of Dire Maul.

Kommentar von Accuda

Has anyone see this drop in Classic as of yet? I have been to MC multiple times, and have not seen this drop at all, nor have I noticed anyone with it on their bow.

Kommentar von dasbaum

In case you are wondering what the status of the attachment Biznicks 247x128 treffsicheres Zielfernrohr is in classic wow:

Some earlier posts from 2005 mentioned this to work for melee hit and the 50+ rated post here explain really well how it was changed to only affect ranged hit in Vanilla:

This item used to effect melee swings and was one of the most saught after enchantsments by rogues and warriors alike. It was nerfed to only ranged attacks and made to be a balanced part of the game.

It was also taken out of the loot table for a long while until they fix it for ranged only. So, many engineers that had the pattern before they removed it from the loot table got to price gouge all they wanted as many servers only had a handful of people with it.

WoW Classic is running the last Vanilla Patch 1.12. Meaning that we play on a version of wow. Where the scope has been already changed to work only with ranged attacks.

This is also underlined by the item tooltip: "Use: Attaches a permanent scope to a bow or gun that increases its chance to hit by 3%."

The grammatical structure is mentioning that only the bow or gun is affected.

The Bauplan: Biznicks 247x128 treffsicheres Zielfernrohr started dropping with the Dire Maul Content Patch mirroring the "fix" time in Vanilla.

If this were to work for Melee it would be super cheap, better even than Drachenfangzahn-Talisman and absolute must for any Melee. Since it's not working for Melee you won't find it on any Melee BIS List.