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Kommentar von Zhun

This works for most of the raid bosses too (Atleast up to Ragnaros, I have no experience after that).

Kommentar von 6834

Either shirnks or enlarges, removes or adds 250 AP. Sometimes it enlarges/shirnks the entire party too. After my experience, it mostly works in your benefit, shrinking the enemy, enlarges you etc.

Kommentar von Minorou

This trinket is one of the most fun I've ever had. Many Gurubashi Berserkers and other large raid mobs have shrunk to this mighty little thing.

Yes, it can effect raid bosses. So far, Hakkar, Ossirian, Onyxia, and even Ragnaros are affected by it. I'm not so sure on others.

Kommentar von Thottbot

I've used it approximately 30 times to date. I've gotten about a 40% success rate with it. Several times it has shrunk me to about the size of a boot. It once made me (dwarf) the size of a Tauren. I've also had it make a Elder Mistvale Gorilla about twice its size, quite impressive.

When it works, it's extremely effective in making the mob vulnerable.

Kommentar von Thottbot

Schematic is learned from the gnomish engineering trainer. The gnomish/gobblin engineering decision is made when you are lvl40+ and your engineering is 200+. Interestingly, however, when this item fails to shrink the target, it can do a variety of things, such as...
-Make you bigger (attack power +250)
-Make you smaller (attack power -250)
-Make them bigger (same effect as above)
-Make your entire party bigger
-Make your entire party smaller
-Make every attacking enemy bigger
-Make ever attacking enemy smaller

Works to your advantage for the most part (about 70% of the time), but don't use in high-pressure situations, unless you're going to die if you don't. Could tip the scales the wrong way.

Kommentar von Thottbot

I have fun with this trinket by hitting Booty Bay and shrinking horde as they come off the boat from Ratchet.

The bruisers will attack you for it, but as a rogue I just use vanish and they immediately stop. It's fun watching a level 60 tauren warrior running around on the dock like a hamster.

Kommentar von Thottbot

Does it de-mount the target like the Dicombobulator or does it simply shrink the mount as well?

Kommentar von Thottbot

this trinket got a 5 mins cooldown now in 1.10

Kommentar von Thottbot

The Death Ray and the Shrink Ray are on separate timers.

In the wrong combo, you and possibly all you're friends are dead. In the right combo, pure pwnage.

Kommentar von Thottbot

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g121/y0gus/shray.jpg

Kommentar von Thottbot

It works even on Onyxia and bosses in MC

Kommentar von Thottbot

We have used it a couple of times in MC for the fun of it. Core hounds become the size of a pudel, and magmadar looks like something you would cuddle when it lands.

However, when it doesnt.....

The priest who had this, was in a group with 4 rogues, which ended up with all of them losing 250 attack power - boy we're they pissed.

Basicly, i wouldn't really use this in raids unless you're sure that you can handle it ;)

Kommentar von Thottbot

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Kommentar von Thottbot

It's true, sometimes the Shrink Ray shrinks the user and group (if user is in one), but I've never seen it do damage, nor to user or target. Guess someone kinda mixed with the Gnomish Death Ray which do a lot dmg to both and got a icon looking pretty much like Gnomish Shrink Ray.

https://www.wowhead.com/classic/item=12822/toxinschrecken-tröpfchen <--Death Ray

Kommentar von Thottbot

i've been messing around with this for a few days and it's lots of fun. i don't fear backfiring cuz you're not small for very long and as far as i can tell it doesn't reduce your armor.

somtimes the backfire causes you and your party to grow instead. gotta love gnomish devices!

Kommentar von Thottbot

I'm sure many of you have used the Gnomish Shrink Ray on raid bosses before. It's usually more fun than the rest of the tedious crap you do with your toon during the fight. But it's not just for kicks! It may in fact be one of the most powerful items in the game.

Note: The action that the shrink ray performs is known to Fahrenheit as joggling. It'll be referred to by that name for the rest of this post.

I've compiled the latest numbers showing the extreme power of the joggler. These numbers are compiled from combat logs from the last 9 months or so.

"Gnomish Shrink Ray
Use: Shrinks the target reducing their attack power by 250. Thats what it usually does anyway....."

Duration is 20 seconds. I haven't found a mob in the game that can't be joggled and I've successfully done it to pretty much every raid boss I've seen. The following are melee damage reduction percentages for the duration of the joggling. Each percentage value is what I calculated for a single fight with that boss, I had multiple fights recorded for some bosses.

Baron Kazum 36%
Broodlord Lashlayer 22%
Broodlord Lashlayer 14%
Death Talon Wyrmguard 28%
Emissary Roman'khan 22%
Firemaw 18%
Firemaw 31%
Garr 26%
Gehennas 24%
Golemagg 28%
Golemagg 23%
Instructor Razuvious 23%
Lethon 26%
Lethon 24%
Lethon 22%
Lord Skwol 22%
Magmadar 20%
Nefarian 27%
Nefarian 31%
Onyxia 14%
Onyxia 38%
Prince Skaldrenox 29%
Ragnaros 31%
Ragnaros 21%
Sulfuron 21%

Average melee damage reduction is 25% for 20 seconds. The joggler has no effect on non-melee damage but had roughly the same impact on every single type of melee damage I saw. I didn't see any melee damage that wasn't affected.

It's particularly useful when the MT is about to take a lot of melee damage. Nefarian's warrior class call, Lethon's 25% transitions, various enrages, etc.

It could also nerf the living crap out of a low-level pvp melee twink for 20 seconds :thumbup:

It doesn't always work, the two backfires are shrinking your party (just the 5 in your party) for -250 attack power or making your party grow for +250 attack power. I've never seen it have an effect on the boss that is harmful to your raid.

Kommentar von Thottbot

btw you only have to be above level 30 to get the gnomish engineering quest but you need level 205 to make and use it

Kommentar von Thottbot

Just got it, have used it 6 times now.
worked Ok every time so far.
I LOVE IT,

Kommentar von Thottbot

usable in arenas?

Kommentar von Thottbot

This item is really fun to use in battlegrounds. I tried it on a gnome and he basically dissapeared from sight cause he was so small. Try it out on a gnome and have a laugh.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

I use this all the time. Good use for rogues when soloing, I have imp sap 3/3 and premeditation so I pick pocket - sap - change target - premed - PP - ambbush - fight - kill - change target - backstab - shrink ray - fight - kill. If I have good health going into the second fight I may save the shrink ray till I get a little lower.

Grow is nice too

Kommentar von Allakhazam

According to thottbot, this item can do one of 8 things. It can shrink your opponent, like it's supposed to. It can make your opponent grow, increasing it's attack power. It can grow or shrink you. Or it can grow or shrink all nearby enemies or party members.

Anyway, does anyone know if any mobs are immune to this? Because it would be very useful to shrink, say, Onyxia and make her a bit more managable. Though, if it backfires and makes Onyxia grow instead, I'd imagine a 40-man alliance would become a 3-course buffet in a very short ammount of time...

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Use it on a gnome, it makes them almost invisible:D

Kommentar von Allakhazam

I used it on Bear - it says "you cast shrink ray"
next it says "you are afflicted by Grow" and it made me bigger and start countdoun buff on my bar (like 20 sec)

Kommentar von Allakhazam

I heard a rumor about a mob that has aoe will have its aoe reduced in proportion to its size. Can anyone confirm or debunk this?

Kommentar von Allakhazam

This item is amazing when going up against any enemy that relies on melee attacks to do damage. Keep in mind that it has no effect on ranged or magical damage.

The recharge is short (5 minutes) and it can reduce an enemy's attack power by such a large margin that it'll keep you alive time and time again. This one is probably staying in my trinket slot until I hit 60, and long after that. Also tremendously useful for keeping tanks alive and/or dealing with adds during instances.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

this is very great device, because of the lessen dmg, fast reuse, and a backfire that helps the group. i ussualy always have this on a trinket slot, inless 2 others are ready.

when this works, it takes off 250 attack power, how much less dmg depends on how high their attack power is, im caster that doesnt tank, so i cant be of much help to test that, but it is noticeable change. it backfires often, but only half of them hurt you. when it backfires, it will either shrink whole group and do the -250 to everyone for 10-20 secs, or grow everyone and add attack power(i didnt look at how much)to whole group for 10-20secs. as you probabaly guessed, best use is to shot it at tank mobs, it only affects melee attacks, using this on boss's is also a great help, since 2 of the 3 things it can do will always help. it has super fast reuse so you can almost always keep it equiped and firing it regularly, and like in other post, can use it to try and escape, if mob hits you for less. as warlock i get even more use out of this because it stacks with Curse of weakness, i have improved curse of weakness adding 20%more to that+this, taking off huge amount of dmg.

this device will ussualy be a nice welcome to a group because of less dmg on tank/less work for healer, and backfire grow that helps whole group, tanks love the grow that gives them extra hitting power. the shrink can make people mad because it can basically cuts their melee attacks in half, but since its short lasting, and isnt common, its worth the risk, most accept that

Kommentar von Allakhazam

This good against MELEE players in PVP? Like Rogue/Worriors/Shaman?

Anyone tested it?

Love,
Vanez

Kommentar von Allakhazam

I'll try it on the next rogue that comes my way. Anyone have pvp experience using this?

Smen

Kommentar von Allakhazam

i dont think there r immune monsters for this, exept if the monster is imm for debuffs or attack lowering debuffs
But wut to do if onyxia grows instead of shriks :P then ur whole raid is in serios trouble and all pissed on u :P

Kommentar von Allakhazam

It only does 1 of 3 things, not 8 or 5 like some posts are suggesting, let me put it out for you.

1, will work, meaning your target is shrunk, losing 250 attack power for the duration.

2, backfire, your group shrinks, all losing 250 attack power for the duration.

3, backfire, your group grows, all gaining 250 attack power for the duration.

it does not grow your target, it does not shrink or grow multiple targets, or affect multiple targets at all.

i'd also like to say that this only affects MELEE attack power. hunters or mobs using ranged, will not be affected by this at all, inless they melee. it also does not affect spells. the post about it affecting only your group is also true, so I don't know why people would get mad for you using this in a raid. shrinking 5 people for 20secs, is a great risk in a 40man raid.(and inless your grouped with the rogues, whos gunna care?) i could only wonder how much dmg gets cut out of onxyia or a MC melee boss like gole when they lose 250 attack power.

Edited, Tue Oct 4 10:36:49 2005

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Where can i finde this Recent Gnomish Shrink Ray ?

i tryet AH but no loock ...where is it drop ?

Kommentar von Allakhazam

This trinkit rocks when your fighting elites or even pvp, one of the side effects was it shrunk my whole group instead of the mob lol we were unaffected besides the size difference.

Kommentar von QuickBASIC

There's a lot of confusion about this currently. There are basically four types of items that can be made by engineers:

BoE items that can be used by any engineer and traded.
BoP items that can be crafted by a specific specialization, but used by any engineer
Items that require a specific specialization to use.
BoP items that can be crafted by an engineer, but can be used even after engineering is dropped

Gnomish Engineering allows you to craft these items:

Item	Bind on Pickup	Requires Engineering to Use	Requires Gnomish to Use
Gnomen-Schutzbrille	Yes	Yes	No
Gnomen-Unglücksverhinderungsgürtel	No	Yes	No
Gnomen-Gedankenkontrollkappe	No	Yes	No
Gnomen-Raketenstiefel	No	Yes	No
Extrem sicherer Transporter: Gadgetzan	No*	Yes	Yes
Weltvergrößerer	No	Yes	Yes
Gnomen-Kampfhuhn	Yes	Yes	No
Gnomentodesstrahl	Yes	No	No
Gnomen-Net-o-Matik-Projektor	No	Yes	No
Gnomen-Schrumpfstrahl	No	Yes	No
Pläne: Veredelter Mithrilzylinder	N/A	N/A	N/A
Lil' Smoky	Yes	Yes	No

* This is Bind on Use (not equip).

If your intent is to switch to Goblin after crafting all the goodies (by dropping and re-leveling Engineering), you should probably craft all of these items, but you must craft Gnomen-Schutzbrille, Gnomen-Kampfhuhn, Gnomentodesstrahl, and Lil' Smoky (these are BoP) or you will lose access to these items permanently (unless you drop and re-level gnomish engineering again.

Extrem sicherer Transporter: Gadgetzan and Weltvergrößerer cannot be used by a non-gnomish engineer, so you can skip crafting these if you're planning on switching.

NOTE: Gnomentodesstrahl doesn't require Engineering to use, so technically, you could level Engineering to craft this item, and drop it and still be able to use it.

Goblin Engineering allows you to craft these items:

Item	Bind on Pickup	Requires Engineering to Use	Requires Goblin to Use
Goblin-Raketenstiefel	No	No	No
Rezept: Goblin-Raketentreibstoff	No	N/A	N/A
Goblin-Mörser	No	Yes	No
Goblin-Bergbauhelm	Yes	Yes	No
Goblinscher Schutzhelm	No	Yes	No
Der Große	No	Yes	No
Goblin-Bombenspender	Yes	Yes	No
Goblin-Raketenhelm	No	Yes	No
Goblinsche Pioniersprengladung	No	Yes	No
Goblinscher Drachenwerfer	Yes	No	No
Goblin-Mörser	No	Yes	No
Winzige wandelnde Bombe	Yes	No	No
Dimensionszerfetzer - Everlook	No*	Yes	Yes

* This is Bind on Use (not equip).

If your intent is to switch to Gnomish after crafting all the goodies (by dropping and re-leveling Engineering), you should probably craft all of these items, but you must craft Goblin-Bergbauhelm, Goblin-Bombenspender, Goblinscher Drachenwerfer, and Winzige wandelnde Bombe (these are BoP) or you will lose access to these items permanently (unless you drop and re-level Goblin Engineering again.

NOTE: I recommend you go Gnomish first because most items crafted by Goblin are comsumable, whereas Gnomish is toys and trinkets that can be used after you switch. If you do Goblin first, you'll not be able to craft some of the most powerful explosives in the game for yourself and need to buy them reguarily if you want to use them.

Dimensionszerfetzer - Everlook cannot be used by a non-goblin engineer, so you can skip crafting these if you're planning on switching.

NOTE: Goblinscher Drachenwerfer doesn't require Engineering to use, so technically, you could level Engineering to craft this item, and drop it and still be able to use it.

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