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Kommentar von 180733

According to the name I would guess this comes from the Spider Wing of Naxxramas.

Kommentar von Meera

Nice combat/dagger OH dagger. The 1.40 speed make its all.

Kommentar von andyf

I haven't run the numbers, but at this weapon level, are two fast daggers still working out better for Mutilate than two slows? I guess once the average mutilate damage is high enough, it will be worth going back to slow weapons, but right now dual wielding these with deadly/instant poison should prove pretty effective.

Kommentar von 203650

quite the weapon for mutilate if you dw it

Kommentar von 58954

Kinda like Deaths Webb wand for Necromancers from Diablo 2, but now its a dagger. WORD! :D

Kommentar von 93176

The way poisons scale in WotLK, this would actually be the best mainhand and offhand (note, it's not unique) for PvE mutilate. Murder, being another viable mainhand.

Kommentar von Faerfall

No this is incorrrect.

Rather than bore you with a long post of the mathematics, in short:
Faster daggers = Lower Mutilates
However
Faster daggers = More FA procs = More Mutilates = More Poison procs (both due to more Muti's and the fact they're on % proc rather than PPM) = More net damage.

Edit: As of ~5/12/08, this is the best Main Hand weapon for Mutilate in game, due to the bugged double-poison-proc on OH, making Deadly/Instant the desired poison set up, and thus making Slow/Fast much much more comparable to Fast/Fast - with the massive DPS edge on this, it becomes top spot for main hand. This will presumably be fixed down the line, but till then!

Kommentar von Zawarudo

Yes, this combined with Calamity's Grasp is currently the best combo for combat specc to date.

Kommentar von 73093

Hailstorm from malygos-10 is a good second option for a combat offhand. the difference between a 1.4 dagger and a 1.5 sword is very minimal because of how sword spec works.

Kommentar von 101623

Dual wield weapon for hunters. Just got my first one today :D

Kommentar von 201234

Regardless of the speed this is a good hunter dagger. Stats are great and im not thinking of PvP.
If you are forced to melee and also has viper sting on, i'd say you are dead no matter the dagger.
Still a recommendation to all hunters to pass on it until all the rogues attending raid or in guild have one, mostly cause the lack of 1.4 speed daggers so far in wotlk. There are plenty of slower ones hunters still can find extremely usefull.

Kommentar von wpnz

I just had this drop from Grand Widow Faerlina (Heroic of course)

Kommentar von Blatant

Actually it is a great MH too for HaT Rogues; since you are doing the following:

SnD
Rupture
Eviscerate
Poison

Not one of those requires slow weapon speeds.

Being fast for a mainhand only increases your Poison damage. Get two, and apply as much poison as you can.

Kommentar von 51953

HaT is bugged ( moreso thanMut since Blizz confirmed the bug) and has fixed it. So trying to single button your way to 7k dps is over. Remember that HaT dmg is almost entirely from spamming 5 cp evis, which gains nothing from weapon speed or type. So robbing a Mut rogue of his bread and butter to play a bugged spec of the week is grounds for a gkick.

Kommentar von 288328

This is the best OH / MH for mutilate too.

Kommentar von 113452

This is the Best Off Hand for Combat and Muts, Period.
That said, you guys stating how it should go to one spec or another first should probably head back to Thotbot as they are missing you by now.

Let the raid leaders make the decision, whether it be DKP, rolls, or even the dreaded loot council.

Kommentar von 68223

I play all specs of Rogue. I'm one of those that respecs constantly. And I would love to have this dagger for EVERY spec. Including Sub Daggers, HaT, Combat Fist and Mutie. this rare 1.4 in WoTLK is great for every single spec. That being said...that means that EVERY spec of rogue should get the same shot at this weapon. upgrading from a blue to an epic like this, no one gets preference because of spec. Learn to do your /roll or bid your dkp and quit whining about how Mutie rogues should get it blah blah blah. Every rogue is gonna roll on this and every rogue is gonna get %^&*ed if someone else gets it. Welcome to WoW, if someone deems it an upgrade for themselves and wants to roll on it, well thats how the game works. Some things are an exception, like a warrior or enhancement shaman rolling on this, thats just stupid as there are about a dozen blue weapons better than this for them because of speed etc...But no rogue should feel bad for rolling on this, no matter what spec you play. And no offense to the Mutie elitists, but I think I'd throat slap anyone who said that because they are mutie they deserve 2 of these before the other rogues even get 1. pfffft.

Kommentar von 269138

As a Combat rogue, I'll be passing on this for the Mut rogues and instead grabbed a Murder. The difference it'll make to my dps isn't worth taking it over a Mut rogue :)

Kommentar von 49832

It drops from Anub but Gluth has a chance to drop any item in Naxx except what Sapp and Kel drop. This always makes killing Gluth fun.

Kommentar von 287391

all rogues fist dagger combat or mut spec,this is an imba dagger,im trying to get my hands on 2 of these as our guild has only just started hitting the 25 man naxx,but from what ive heard theres nothing better apart from murder in oh but if im lucky enough to see this drop twice on 2 seperate reset days then as the only rogue raiding its mine :)

Kommentar von 301539

Im a mut rogue and just got my second one of these today. Finally replaced that loyal (but blue) paper cutter i used to have. This baby bumped my dps over 4k for some of the later bosses, i was pretty stoked. Now just gotta get the money for a berserker enchant, or wait it out for cheaper abyss crystals.

Kommentar von 148775

@ Zawarudo: Wrong. Hailstorm is a better offhand according to Vulajin's spreadsheet.

Kommentar von 62564

I don't look forward to be sharing this with feral druids..

Kommentar von 287817

As i play a feral druid i think it's well within my rights to say...we wouldn't touch this anyway, the dps (feral AP) is to low to be worth it, many staves have over 2k ap (200dps) i wouldn't waste dkp on this.

Kommentar von 36065

This dropped off Gluth, was this a recent change?

Kommentar von 211139

I am looking forward for this to drop. Still using 2xLPC at the moment.
Luckily we have a pretty strict looting policy in the guild, so other classes won't have a chance on this until we rogues want it.
There is only 1 other rogue playing in my guild, who just respecced to Mutilate build, looking at his weapons and shadowpanter.net's MAEP calculations he chose 2x slow daggers where several blues (and for MH even few greens) are better : )
I just certainly hope that if this EVER drops (never seen one and I am doing Nax HC every week since 2.5 months or so), I will have more Dkp to ensure at least 1 of these. Then gather Dkp for the second one. :)
Since I am better geared than the other rogue, and attend more raids usually, I do have a chance of getting it (or maybe even 2x). Being more lifeless than others rewards you epics, painful ;)

I was still too lazy to run the daggers through Vulajin's spreadsheet, but by many this IS considered best MH+OH for me. I'll roll some others through the spreadsheet one day to see potential temporary upgrades (Murder being probably one, maybe only, the rest sure look at most slight upgrades).

Kommentar von Yakeshi

This weapon isn't unique either? Confirmation, anybody?

Kommentar von Skahrra

Saw this on a Hunter on my Realm (Nagarand EU) so i quized him, 'surely there must have been a rogue in the raid that needed that?'

Reply - 'the rogue was keeping his dkp for a better one'.......

I didn;t know whether to laugh or cry...except that i play assination rogue, and i have one of these beaty's in my main hand. Considering acquiring a LPC for the off hand, as my Knife of incision is a bit sloooooow atm.

Imba dagger, i look forward to the day i have 2 of these bad boys (:

Kommentar von 69978

As of patch 3.08 the dual poison proc on offhand hits is removed, hence why a fast mainhand is now the best way to go due to rupture proccing the extra hits, as wether or not webbed death x 2 is better than sinister revenge OH and webbed MH i disagree, as of current spreadsheets with the best available gear ingame, Sinister revenge comes out ahead with approx 5 dps(yes this is insanely little when we are talking 4k+ dps), but still as i see the way rogues are scaling i can easily see two faster weapons come out alot better in the long run :)

Kommentar von CrayonOfDoom

As of latest combat theorycrafting, with optimal gear, Hailstorm and 4/5 Sword Specialization barely edges this dagger out of the position of best combat offhand.
It is, however, still the best mut and HAT main and offhand.

Kommentar von 42221

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=542Op_oSrZA
model video

Kommentar von 289495

No matter what this should go to mutilate before any feral druids or combat rogues. If a feral wants to whine about this going to a mutilate build then there are several commands to alleviate this. One is /kick which could possibly be followed by /gremove

Combat rogues will be arguing it is the best OH for them, and it very well may be. From every damage sheet I have seen the benefit of these for a pve-mutilate outweighs the dps boost of these for a combat rogue. Again, I am not saying this isn't a very good upgrade for a combat rogue. Just that a mutilate should get this before a combat spec.

i know this is going to get Downranked but i just have to say what u are saying is completely stupid
Combat = BEST OFF HAND ITEM
mutilate = BEST DAGGER
Now why shouldnt the combat rogue have the same priority on this weapon as a mutilate rogue its the best for both specs so what if combat CAN use other weapons why shouldn't we have the same priority for the best one

Kommentar von 305152

This is the best mainhand for the top rogue dpsbuild shiv atm.
This in mainhand with WP and Hailstorm (https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=40491) in offhand with IP, will pull off the greatest dps ingame because of nature damage. The rotation to use is 5s,5r

This is the build: https://www.wowhead.com/cata/talent=f0eb0eZ0gVbgr0qbu0xRtb

Kommentar von 167903

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15443407456&sid=1&pageNo=1

Begone hunters! Or this might happen

Kommentar von 336072

This is a pretty awesome weapon, as a hunter myself I wouldn't mind having this, but I completely agree this is a perfect rogue weapon and they should definitely have priority over on it.

Kommentar von Thaag

This seems to be a very nice off-hand for HAT rogues, due to the crit and agility (enchant it with +26 agi). HAT rogues need crits like fish need water, and when you use an addon such as Outfitter to switch weapons in stealth, this is going to be your Ambush dagger for sure.

This dagger makes me love my spec even more.

Kommentar von 230590

well, come 3.1, this will still be the best post-ulduar off hand for Mutilate and CQC combat specs, especially since its not really going to be better to go fist/sword now that they changed Lightning Relfexes gives 10% haste (3 points in LR will be better than 3/5 or even 4/5 sword spec, let alone this is already a better OH than Hailstorm in general)

mutilate rogues hopefully have gotten a Sinister Revenge (even Anarchy or Murder) to swap out this for the new MH in 3.1

Kommentar von 193040

I still think this dagger in the off hand for a combat rogue. The faster off hand, the more energy procs are possible through combat potency. Combat's strength relies on it's ability to generate energy (and thus combo points) fast. Having a slightly faster off hand helps this a bit. Cheaper shivs (which can be used to keep up instant poison) also help.

Kommentar von 303817

I dual-wield this on my rogue and I get a steady 5k dps in naxx HC. Except for Thaddius, I go insane.

Kommentar von 358719

I just would like to put a comment about the drop rate.
I have been raiding hc Nax from January which will make it my 14th time this Thursday and all I can say is that it hasnt dropped yet!
So I dont know about you guys, but imo they should change the droprate because week after week it makes me becomeeven more crazy seeing it not drop.
13 times no drop = less than 8% droprate.
After this week i cba to do the instance again... still wielding my namlaks supernumary stickers for the 17th week :s aint that a bugger!

Kommentar von mystyfan

This has to be one of my fave weaps .. I use it as an oh (with angry dread being mh) and I never had a prob with dps in raids.. I have 2 of em but I heard that duel daggers for a combat spec is epic fail...*sigh

Kommentar von lolman647

Actually...

13 runs no drop = less than 8%

Guess what, I did some insanely difficult math...

1 run no drop = less than 8%

1 run 1 drop = 100%

The 8% drop chance means that if you ran the instance 100 times you would get approximately 8 Webbed Death.

Kommentar von 402681

1 run no drop = less than 8%

No.

1 run no drop = less than 100%

The 8% drop chance means that if you ran the instance 100 times you would get approximately 8 Webbed Death.

Yeah, AKA 1 in 13... 7.6 ~ 8 Therefore 8 * 13 ~ 100

But for something more on topic. This is still somewhat viable with PvE Mutilate. Make sure to pool energy before an Envenom so you can get a Deadly Poison proc or two while the buff is up.

Kommentar von Cryptopsy

As of 3.1.2, this would be a great off-hand (possibly mh?) to go into Ulduar with. I find it funny that such a good dagger would drop off of possibly the easiest boss? Also, you may have to go with this for a while since most daggers in Ulduar appear to drop from difficult bosses or hard modes. Good job blizzard.

EDIT: not 3.1.3 yet. ;)

Kommentar von 431300

Had two of these drop in the same raid two nights ago. I lost the roll on my rogue, and later had to switch to an alt to heal the rest of naxx, when later Another dropped. We discussed with the raid leader that it would be best to ticket the first one to me, and give the second one to the rogue who won the first. considering I was there on the fight it dropped from.

Logged in a moment ago, and it was in the mail, putting Berserking on it asap. Still one of the best off hand daggers until Ulduar 25.

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