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Kommentar von lcbdeke

This is definitely the bulwark of the ancient kings. This is so good. But the stuff to make it take it are rare I think. I cant wait until I'm 70 and blacksmithing up to 375 so i can make it and then wear it. This is so good. and i hope this doesn't cost a lot to get the plans.

Kommentar von nenoedrec

Insane amount of armor, granted its level 70 item but still almost as much as my rogue has in full nightslayer ><

Kommentar von 9787

This item is godly, great for tanking and dps not very many items that have a use for both alot of warriors are stuck with having 2 sets of armor one for tanking one for dps which doubles the cost of the repair bill.

Kommentar von 16008

Nether Vortex are raid drop items. and they drop only one at a time.
For the prereq item, Bulwark of Kings, it requires 10 Primal Nether, which has a 20% drop from the end of the lvl 70 instances, or a 100% drop from the end of the Lvl 70 instances on heroic.

Its not going to be easy, but it'll be worth it.

Kommentar von 5027

I have to ask actually how good this will be for tanking with the lack of +defense. The armor is amazing and so is the stamina, I don't argue that. Nor am I saying this isn't a nice piece of armor.

But since it requires raid items to make, I have to ask if this is something I would want to wear as a raid tank when I can get raid pieces with far more +defense.

Thoughts?

Kommentar von reveal

Why is it that leatherworkers get to make a 3 part set ... and BS only get a chest ... :(

Kommentar von 33329

My real concern is whether the Use: ability shares it's cooldown with Last Stand. Anyone know? If not, that kicks ass. If so, then it's lame and I'm not sure I'm going to sink the mats into it after all.

Kommentar von bbeckley

Question:

If you make this, and drop armorsmithing can you still wear it?
Reason i ask is, what if you take up weaponsmithing to make whatever can you still wear?

Kommentar von Archangel

The cooldown on the "use" portion is 30 minutes. Do note that this buff stacks with Last Stand and Life Giving Gem.

Kommentar von 35454

an ideal dps plate piece, but also a good "stopgap".

doesn't mean that your MT should justify it as the reason to get all the vortex drops.

Kommentar von Madness

Also there is added strenght, which means more % to block.

Kommentar von reveal

Why is it that the Tier 3 piece Armoursmithing need only 2 Vortex's and the ones from Weaponsmithing need 20 !!!!
That is so unfair :(

Kommentar von zomg123

Total materials for all Tier Plate armors are:
2 Primal Vortexes
10 Primal Nethers
10 Primal Manas
8 Primal Mights
6 Hardened Adamantite Bars
6 Eternium Bars
8 Khorium Bars

Kommentar von 62142

Does anyone knows if the use-ability on this chest is possible to use in Arena, or does it get greytoned as if it was a 30cd skill?

Sincerely V

Kommentar von 16226

When it increases your maximum Hit Point pool, will it then heal you for the 1500 hp too?

Kommentar von relikpl

the fact that you cannot use this in arena wiped the smile off my face, this use-ability is one of the only serious pros of going armorsmith :L

Kommentar von 47567

Question:

If you make this, and drop armorsmithing can you still wear it?
Reason i ask is, what if you take up weaponsmithing to make whatever can you still wear?

Question:

if i make this and then drop 2 lvl`s can i still use it then or do u have to be in 70 :/
read the requirements next time lol

Kommentar von 96423

Is this piece viable for PvE? It does have a lot of stamina and a nice use, but it has no stamina or avoidance. I picked up armorsmithing in hopes of using it for tanking (like it was pre-BC when a couple dark iron pieces were BoP) and instead I get to pick between either weapons for dps or armor for pvp (btw as a prot paladin neither of those are desirable options).

Side note: Season 2 warrior chest has very similar stats and will take a lot less effort to get.

Kommentar von 86705

Personally I just made this for tanking (Nightbane has not yet dropped his chest, and my guild does not yet have the properly geared Lock's for Mag).

I find that with the amount of armor and stam on this, plus the fact that I am well beyond the 490 criteria (probably about 520 now) even wearing this, that it is unlikely that I will even pickup the T5 Chest.

Maybe if I have everything else and it drops when I have DKP to spare.

Kommentar von 47259

How does this factor in with tanking? My own blacksmither is a paladin, and while he's not up to the level yet, I have been looking at gear choices for when he DOES get there.

Quite frankly I'm somewhat lost.

Kommentar von Khuzog

Something people arn't putting out either is the usefulness of this breastplate as a five man / Heroic / Karazhan tank. After having done the hardcore raiding circle I've finally started leveling up a new warrior to play with a small pool of friends.

I intend to go Armorsmith and while, sure, this breastplate dosen't have a lot of tank points outside of a bonus Last Stand and high stamina, I'm not looking to stack T6 style avoidance, especially since in the content I plan on running a lot, that'll leave me rage starved. Plus having access to Nether Vortices via Badges now will allow me to make the top of the line model as soon as I have the means to get them.

Just my two cents, not everyone reads these comments to see how an item will stack up against Illidan.

Kommentar von 71213

i'm sorry but if you use this breastplate for tanking your a complete moron. congradulations on wasting around 3k gold for your new "tanking" chestpiece.

It's obvious this is a fury warrior chestpiece. big hit rating and big critical strike rating and strength should tell you that by now.

>.< almost annoying as watching people tanking in gladiator gear.

Kommentar von drbasic

Oh I do mean to that this chest piece is better just that botros is ignorant

Chestplate of Stoicism (100 Badges in new 2.4 Loot, the chest from Nightbane or Tier 4/5/6 is definitely better

The reason I would think this is obvious is that a Tank needs to stay alive and the best way to do that is through mitigation and not some 1500 health increase, gruul hits harder than 1500.

There are some good posts about effective stamina and yes Armor is a big part
but you need your block value, Parry and Dodge a good warrior spams his shield block on a boss and the shield value increase on tanking pieces will out do the armor increase and of course dodge and parry is 0 Damage instead of a 2k+ hit which is definitely nice in staying alive.

As for Aggro The shield value from a tanking chest piece increases your shield slam and that is giant aggro compared to the +hit.

This is a better tanking chest than any blue that I have seen socket it with +Dodge Gems to help you out.

So if you are in the boat of not having a chest piece from Nightbane or better this will get you through until then, it did for me. But swap it when you can.

Once you get your tanking chest re socket it with DPS Gems and you have a good dps chest for anything.

Kommentar von TheMercenary

I use this every day on my PROTECTION specced warrior....gotta have some good gear for your dailies, including PVP!

Kommentar von jpcesar

humm, everytime i see this item on a database, comments are talking about this item for tanks. This item can in fact be useful on some fights u need hit rating, and you dont want to sacrifice HP and Armor, lowering your avoidance a bit, BUT you should be focused on DPS when talking about this chest.

Pre-Blacktemple, and if you are unable to kill kaelthas on TK and unable to get season3 chest form arena points this is the best dps chest in game.

55.01 dps
54.49 dps
54.47 dps

So its onpair with T5.

Note: The magister's terrace heroic chest is inferior to this one.

Kommentar von 128900

just as Zerothelegend & Drbasic pointed out. this chest does have multiple uses. & until you get your hands on a proper tanking chest with tanking stats on it (dodge,parry,block rating / value..etc). this chest is viable for tanking.

stats on one side. the use itself is a life saver. for those who had the pleasure of obtaining the Lifegiving Gem from the old days. knows the value of the use on this impressive chest piece.

& as stats for dps. very few chests can replace this outside of Black Temple, Mount Hyjal. & even those are a hard comparison when counting in the use function (150 strength, stacked with every possible CD, will help out when you are trying to down that boss. on that last attempt of the night. on that last 5%~10%...).

& as for pvp. you cant take it seriously as a good pvp item (as mentioned above by Hopper. the use on it cant be applied in arenas..). but for those people who like to play Battle Grounds for a little fun or for the daily pvp quest. its quite nice to have. given again on the use & the nice stats on it.

so a question comes to the mind of alot people. "should i bother going through all that trouble of crafting this?"

yes, absolutely. i'm a tank in a BT,MH farming guild & when im not tanking. im using this mighty chest. ^.^

Kommentar von 104531

This chestpiece is very good for pvp too.
My warrior has full S1 gears plus this.

This one is as good as S3 chestpiece except for its lack of resilience.
Collecting arena gears can take very long time so it is very nice alternative for those who just started collecting S3 gears.

This chest piece actually has higher hit rating and crit rate than S3.
Only downside of this piece is that it is ugly..

Kommentar von 101243

In terms of effective health vs the Panzer'Thar:

1450 armor + 51 sta + 39 BV
vs
1825 armor + 56 sta

I'll take the armor.

Not to mention the threat this chest will help put out is pretty hefty, way overshadowing the threat from 39 BV... The only reason you shouldn't use this over nightbanes chest is if you are not defense capped. End of argument.

Kommentar von 153134

In my opinion, going Armorsmithing is now of more worth for PvE warrior since Dragonstrike lost its potential to easy-attainable badge fist weapons.

Kommentar von 166346

As a warrior that is def capped, with a good amount of avoidance, I find this is a nice chest to swap in for trash and heroics.
Shield slam is great for generating single target agro, but if you have to spam a bunch of devastates on a 4-5 pull, rage starvation can lead to dead healer.

Kommentar von fendred

Something which I've noticed no-one has mentioned: the socket bonus. You're probably thinking, 'yeah, its just some crit, whats particularly special about that?' but the thing is, this is 4 crit, and it has a blue socket. If you look at any other DPS item, then look at their bonuses, you're going to find most have only 2 or 3 of what ever stat it is. Then look at the ones with a blue socket. Most will only have 2 of the stat.

What does that mean? If you're using rare gems, you can chuck a blue gem in this and lose no stats compared to a yellow gem. A 4 crit / 6 stam gem will give you the bonus, making 8 crit / 6 stam, whereas a 8 crit yellow gem will only give you the 8 crit. The purpose, of course, being to fill your meta gem's requirements (you should be using 12 agi 3% crit dmg, or, at the very least, the chance on hit haste one. Both require 2 blue gems)

The overall effect is still slight, but because of that one fact this (for my set anyway) has better raw stats than the S3 chest (this of course has the use effect as well). I would probably put S4 as higher than this, but that one requires the 1600 rating to get.

If you're like me and you try and get every last possible increase to your DPS out of your gear, keep the socket bonus in mind.

And, like Omgedozor said, I was actually leveling BS to make a weapon, but before I got all the way there, I noticed this piece (being awesome in itself) and the Vanir's Fists came out, so I went for this instead. (Vanir's Fists rock. You won't find better until the Warglaives. Unless you're the sort of fury warrior with access to Brutal weapons)

Kommentar von 98621

lol a built in last stand, 3sockets, +hit, +crit, and 40str which equal 80ap effects +sb rating/value, and add the +10% kings buff,
if you are def capped and need hit and more tps which is a lot of tank's case this is an excellent hybrid piece of gear..as is im 510 def with no def enchants or gems at all, saves a lot of badges for better stop gap pieces

Kommentar von 195828

I have seen and heard of a tank version of this breatstplate but cannot remember how it is made or aquired can anyone shed light on this for me please

Kommentar von nathansoto

Is there any benefit to using this as a Paladin tank? I want to know if it is even worthwhile to make this item.

Kommentar von 51698

I have grinded my BS skills to 375 in order to get hold of this chest, but with the changes to talents, abilties, and gears introduced by 3.0.2, I wonder how viable a piece this remains for tanking purposes for a warrior.

Blizzard appears to have removed Defense bonus from a lot of items in order to give more Strength or some other stat bonus to help tanks generate more threat, and it looks like people who used to have met the 490 threshold now have to change their gears, gems, and enchants to achieve 490.

If I cannot make up 490+ from my other item slots, I may have to give this one a pass and wait until I can get hold of the Panzar'Thar Breastplate or the Chestplate of Stoicism.

Oh well, with the expansion just around the corner, I guess it doesn't really matter that much...

Kommentar von 73436

Is this worth it for a Death Knight tank? I'm sure for DPS, but i want it for Tanking as well. Any thoughts?

Kommentar von Allakhazam

The plate chest for armorsmiths, it requires the Bulwark of Kings (hard as hell to make, already) and 5x Nether Vortex (very rare BoP reagent) to make. The stage 3 weapons require 20x nether vortex to create for weapon smiths. =\

Kommentar von Allakhazam

about the cd: i can read what it says below the item, so i guess you can too...

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Is this good for Protection Pally's?

Kommentar von Allakhazam

This has no dodge, no defense, no resilience, no shield block and no parry. I feel sad that this is what armor smithing permits. After all the trouble I went through I would expect some choice in what single piece of armor I can get - I would choose something useful for tanking.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

I just got my second Bulwark built, and this baby is next. Just need 3 more Vortex. This is the highest armor rating item in the game so far at 1753, this is the uber chest piece. Dont gem it until the gem crafters are max leveled. Not gonna want to make this piece more than once, trust me, hard enough making the Bulwark of the Kings.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

got this beauty yesterday after droping the 2 nether vortex required from the Colossus right before Karathress, very happy :)

Kommentar von Allakhazam

He probably means that because he can't carry the gems he's socketed from the earlier ones, he's gonna wait until he can make the best one before putting all his expensive gems in.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Anyone know the cool down time on this beauty?

Kommentar von Thottbot

it may be very hard to make but it could be a beast when finished

using in yellow socket smooth dawnstone
and in the blue solid star of elune

you get

+20 hit
+57 crit
+62 stamina
+37 strength
1753 armor

any one that had the patients to learn armoursmithing like me must definately have the patients to finally be rewarded for it by getting the mats for this beast

and as for gold ebayers tbc saw to them just from the shear amount of gold u can grind and quest in tbc is riddiculous.

Kommentar von Thottbot

I'm not sure if this is worth losing the T5 or even T4 set bonus for, its awsome and all, but is it better than the set? looks dont matter because you can wear a tabard over it if you wanna match your set, soo...I'm not sure, btw, I'm a 10/41/10 protection paladin, and getting the T4/T5 tanking sets wont be a problem for me, just not sure if its worth it, any suggestions or comments?

Kommentar von Thottbot

t4/5 set bonuses are 2/4 peices, you can ditch the chest peice on them for this and still keep the set bonuses

Kommentar von Thottbot

Bulwark of ancient kings:
5*nether vortex
1*bulwark of kings

Bulwark of kings:
1x Breastplate of Kings
10x Primal Nether(heroric dungeon drop)
10x Primal Mana(primal earth->primal water->primal air->primal fire->primal mana etc or just get the motes obviously.)

Breastplate of kings:
8x Primal Might
6x Eternium Bar
8x Khorium Bar
6x Hardened Adamantite Bar(these require 10 regular Adamantite Bar)

Primal Might:
1x Primal Earth
1x Primal Water
1x Primal Air
1x Primal Fire
1x Primal Mana)

so in short
total materials:
60x Adamantite Bar
6x Eternium Bar
8x Khorium Bar
80x mote of Earth
80x mote of Water
80x mote of Air
80x mote of Fire
180x mote of Mana
10x Primal nether
5x nether vortex

my god thats expensive.....

its preferable to use 100x mote of mana to get the 10 primal mana. but 100 motes of anything(X) can make 10 primal(X) wich can be converted into the primal mana

This gets you one bulwark of kings from what i can work out
-shame that bulwark hasnt got defence stats etc
but then that may be overkill

but yes i do suck at this game so i may be completely wrong if i am please correct me where possible

Kommentar von Thottbot

The Nether Vortexes are obtained from "Tier 5" instances such as Serpentshrine Cavern and The Eye. I'm not sure how exactly you get them, but I would assume uncommon drops off bosses much like the Primal Nethers from heroic 5 mans.

It's been supposed that it can also drop off T5 raid dungeon trash.

Kommentar von Thottbot

1. It has more armor then Tier 5 Chest
2. It has more stat wise composition compared to Tier 5 Chest
3. Its a crusader enchant...on a chest..

Kommentar von Thottbot

This is certainly an amazing item, but I'm a little puzzled about how small of an upgrade it is over the Bulwark of Kings. Compared to the Bulwark of Kings you get an extra

+243 armor
+5 strength
+2 stamina
+2 hit rating
+5 crit rating

This is really only a small upgrade, and doesn't seem justify it being a 20 levels higher epic item (Bulwark of ancient kings is level 140 epic, Bulwark of kings is level 120 epic).
I expected that the Bulwark of Ancient Kings would have (140/120) ~ 17% better stats. Clearly this isn't the case. Anybody have any idea why?

Kommentar von Thottbot

yoyoyo! i got a question! what if i'm armorsmith and crafted this but then decided to switch to weaponsmith, will i still be able to wear this?

Kommentar von Thottbot

aodui's comment about keeping it after the switch as long as it's not removed, is that true ? If so, that would be intense to know that I can keep this and make the switch to Swordsmith later on.

Kommentar von Thottbot

what is CD?
can be used in arena?
when it is upgraded enchants and gem are lost ?

Kommentar von Thottbot

What many people are forgetting, is that when Wrath of the Lich king comes out, Armorsmithing will be taken to a whole new level, which in turn, makes it a very useful skill.

Kommentar von Thottbot

Well i am a Paladin, and when looking at my choices i went Armorsmith over Weaponsmith for this reason.

Yes i can make my Lionheart Executioner or my Stormhearald but in the end i will just replace it with Hammer of the Naaru...reason being if i go Ret i need the Hammer of the Naaru, if i go Prot i need another weapon then what i can gain from this for stat purposes.

Being Armorsmith however getting this bulwark of the ancient kings will allow me to not only DPS if i insert right gems and right enchant but allow me to tank very well providing right gems and enchants.

Think of this...you gain the ability of the warriors Last Stand almost here. And you gain a lot of Crit and Hit rating.

I just recently made Breastplate of Kings, getting Bulwark of Kings is easy if you have a guild that will work with you.

Bulwark of the Ancient Kings a bit harder but in theory easy to get if you run the DKP system and your guild is going places.

Basically to even get this you have to sorta meet invisible requirements.
-Take up an oath of poverty to become armorsmith.
-Becoming very very patient
-Knowing where and when to farm
-Having some pocket money
-Sanity

Im telling you because when i started this armorsmith i had no other main, it was my only main and it was long...very long. But in the end it was well worth it, as soon as i got this the Breastplate i swear ppl that saw it in my guild just got jealous, of course i can upgrade it further and there are some better peices out there but um how the heck am i going to down Black Temple or Hyjal? Nonetheless for a PvE piece and PvP to an extent this final piece...is godly and for all Paladins that are Ret or Prot would love this piece greatly and i suggest by my personal opinion to go after it rather then weaponsmith stuff.

Kommentar von Thottbot

Gotta love this chest. Good for everyone. Arms warrior who raids? Great, slap some extra crit in those yellow gem slots, and the hit rating built in is always nice on a level ? boss. Fury warrior, this is just imba, and of course depending on what your current stat balance is you can gem this to adjust, whether it be more +hit rating or more +strength. Prot warriors will love the use of this on boss fights, and this has tons of stamina, and shield slams are crittable!

Kommentar von Thottbot

Just realized something here.

If your armorsmith yes you forsake those wonderful Weaponsmith stuff but lets say your a two handed user and you got something like Khorium Champion it makes up for the loss of the weaponsmith stuff and puts itself almost at par with it, so you have a godly chestpiece w/Godly Weapon and your set.

I seem to realize more and more each day why the plans for such are rare as heck, because they are very useful. Either to sell for gold or to use because you are not weaponsmith. I got the plans for Khorium Champion actually very cheap so im gunning for my gold from the weapon then get the weapon again for myself, farming the mats for ME IS EASY so again simple stuff not a problem. This more then makes up for the weaponsmith stuff in my opinion for gold farming and to gain a weapon of great power.

However more so this is what makes Armorsmith ALL the more better ^_^

Kommentar von Thottbot

Gonna swap from weaponsmith to armorsmith since i have my sweet merciless sword.. its basically as good as stunherald/lionheart executioner and bloodmoon isnt it?

Kommentar von Thottbot

Okay... they like really messed up with this item.

Not to say that it isn't bad. For all applications, this is an epic item, and it plays that role really well. I'm sorry but 3 slots, over 50 on two stats and an AMAZING effect, basically adding 150 stamina and 150 strength, is pretty amazing, and the effect makes this piece even better in PvP (if you do both).

Now, the crapped up part about this is that it isn't one of the best items. Panz'thar, Heartshatter Breastplate, Krakken-Heart Breastplate, along with the tier pieces and gladiator pieces are much better an actually easier to get than this item. As a matter of fact the items required to make this item are IN THE INSTANCES WHERE YOU CAN GET THOSE DROPS! Why in HELL would I want to freaking go and get the mats and make this item if those items drop? Why would anybody?

This is were blizzard freaking messed up. They should have made this better.

Made this item WAY better, make it like a super-epic. Give it like 4 slots or something, give it some more stats, make it really good.

But of course, what IS a super-epic? Oh yeah, A FREAKING LEGENDARY ITEM! Add an extra step to this, say, you have to kill the last boss in the Black Temple to get a drop you need to add this, maybe TWO drops, at like a 1% drop rate, and then make this legendary with-

1825 Armor (2125)
55 Strength
60 Stamina
3 slots
Improve hit rating by 1.8%
Improve crit rating by 2.1%

And even the same spell EFFECT!

At least...

But of course I'm not a blizzard worker so I'm going to just have to leave it as it is... *sigh* :(

Kommentar von Thottbot

Ok, I just got my second Vortex from SSC trash and upgraded this piece...

To everyone that thinks it needs a buff, i say yea, it would be nice, but you know what? Get #@$@ed! It's still an amazing piece and as previously stated, unless you do Arena a lot, this is not THAT difficult to obtain.

I play on a low pop server, so it took me months to get it, and I'm happy that it's not that ez to grab. This IS an epic Item. Throw in a Sovereign Tanzanite, Deadly Fire Opal and an Inscribed Noble Topaz. (the first 2 gems u can get from Shattered Halls and Arc respectively (heroic)) and slap a +6 to all stats chant on there and you're rockin one sexy chest piece.

With those Gems/chant you've got:
59 strength
68 stamina
6 agility
25 hit rating
50 crit rating

umm.....VERY NICE!

You can throw in an etched fire opal for extra hit rating instead of one of the other 2 orange gems.

Necro..

(note, BT gems not included. if you're gemming it with BT quality gems, you probably can upgrade this piece as well)

Kommentar von Thottbot

Anyone who says this isn't worth it is a jerkwad.

Kommentar von Thottbot

i think it is the best dps plate chest, even better than the T6 or the on from mother shahraz

Kommentar von Thottbot

That would be crazy

Kommentar von Thottbot

I recently crafted this piece after months of beating my head on the keys for picking armorsmithing, and it has completely changed my mind. The stats are incredible yes, its versatile for each class (warrior myself), and you can go dps or tank mode and it's still effective. The crit helps with threat also. Think about this, Last Stand gives you 30% of your health back, now with commanding shout, and this wonderful use (1500 health), when u pop Last Stand you just gained damn near 50% of your base health with one click of a panic macro. Silence on Gruul, healer goes down, lucky hit on prince, so many times this piece has saved my ass, and getting into SSC and Eye now you can't beat it. Plus the 150 str shoots your block up a good bit which is nice mitigation buff. All in all from actual use, i'm not dropping this baby till BT. Get ur T5 bonus off the rest of the set, u only need 4. Happy tanking!

Kommentar von Thottbot

Even after Sunwell my opinion ok !
Still the best chest plate out'a there

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+40 Stärke
+56 Ausdauer

Blauer Sockel
Gelber Sockel
Gelber Sockel
Sockelbonus: +4 Kritische Trefferwertung

Haltbarkeit 165 / 165

Benötigt Stufe 70
Anlegen: Erhöht die kritische Trefferwertung um 41.
Anlegen: Erhöht die Trefferwertung um 25.
Benutzen: Erhöht 15 sec lang Gesundheit um 1500 und Stärke um 150. (30 Min Abklingzeit)

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